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British commanders condemn US tactics (pg. 11)
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| xKaoSx |
| quote: | Originally posted by Dervish
Ohh my god. There ladies and gents is the problem. Thats it exactly. What about "not guilty until proven guilty" just becuase they are Iraqis they arn't so important? Is that it? Or becuase it's a high risk enviorment? Well they are troops (high risk is what they are for), the Iraqis for the most part are civlians who didn't sign upto anything they are just trying to live their lifes. |
Well how would you decern the civilians from the people who want to shoot you? What would you have them do?
Oh wait- You hesitated too long- you're dead- sorry. Ill call your parents and inform them. |
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| Dervish |
| quote: | Originally posted by xKaoSx
Well how would you decern the civilians from the people who want to shoot you? What would you have them do?
Oh wait- You hesitated too long- you're dead- sorry. Ill call your parents and inform them. |
Thats the problem, you can't shoot. You cannot shoot until you know. If that means you are going to die then that is the case. You cannot trade the life of an Iraqi for a little assurance. You have to show restraint. It's fundemental to peacekeeping. |
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| Spankster |
| quote: | Originally posted by Dervish
Ohh my god. There ladies and gents is the problem. Thats it exactly. What about "not guilty until proven guilty" just becuase they are Iraqis they arn't so important? Is that it? Or becuase it's a high risk enviorment? Well they are troops (high risk is what they are for), the Iraqis for the most part are civlians who didn't sign upto anything they are just trying to live their lifes. |
I may appear to never pick on the brittish forces inside iraq.
Dont worry.....i look every where looking for dirt to give to the poms but unfortunately i cant find any. Sure the brittish have been in gunfights but from the sources i read theyre always proffessional and disciplined about it.
In fact if anything, all I see is good reports about brittish forces and its annoying me!! I want dirt dammit!! I saw a news report on tv how the brittish try to give the iraqi's the impression that theyre there to help iraqi's by wearing minimum armour, wearing berets instead of helmets(it makes them look less threatening), biulding football parks and playing soccer against the young iraqi's.
Following local customs and taking an interest in the way they live.
Maybe all the experience drawn from northern ireland, kosovo and bosnia has helped. |
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| xKaoSx |
| quote: | Originally posted by Dervish
Thats the problem, you can't shoot. You cannot shoot until you know. If that means you are going to die then that is the case. You cannot trade the life of an Iraqi for a little assurance. You have to show restraint. It's fundemental to peacekeeping. |
Are you ing kidding me?
How about the civies spread the word- Dont make sudden movements and just do what they ask for now till things cool down.
Sorry to say but it's a either him or me mentality out there
and if the Iraqi's dont understand that then they need to
learn a little self preservation. |
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| xKaoSx |
| quote: | Originally posted by Spankster
I may appear to never pick on the brittish forces inside iraq.
Dont worry.....i look every where looking for dirt to give to the poms but unfortunately i cant find any. Sure the brittish have been in gunfights but from the sources i read theyre always proffessional and disciplined about it.
In fact if anything, all I see is good reports about brittish forces and its annoying me!! I want dirt dammit!! I saw a news report on tv how the brittish try to give the iraqi's the impression that theyre there to help iraqi's by wearing minimum armour, wearing berets instead of helmets(it makes them look less threatening), biulding football parks and playing soccer against the young iraqi's.
Following local customs and taking an interest in the way they live.
Maybe all the experience drawn from northern ireland, kosovo and bosnia has helped. |
That's pretty easy to do in a low risk zone. What would happen if they tried that where the heat is? |
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| Spankster |
| quote: | Originally posted by xKaoSx
That's pretty easy to do in a low risk zone. What would happen if they tried that where the heat is? |
Unfortunately thanks to the americans those brittish tactics would be futile in falluja, but let me just say that insurgencies werent just happening in falluja but in cities all over the country which includes basra, but obviously basra has had a much smaller scaled revolt which i believe is due to the proffesionalism and the humanity that is diplayed by the brittish towards the shia people. It wouldve been interesting to see how the britts wouldve faired in najaf if they had control of the city from the start instead of the US.........I can bet there would've been a lot more diplomacy going on with the shia there. |
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| Dervish |
| quote: | Originally posted by xKaoSx
Are you ing kidding me?
How about the civies spread the word- Dont make sudden movements and just do what they ask for now till things cool down.
Sorry to say but it's a either him or me mentality out there
and if the Iraqi's dont understand that then they need to
learn a little self preservation. |
Thats exactly why the Americans are having so many problems. You can't do that to civlians. You just can't. The soliders are professionals the civlians are civlians.
REMEMBER THE TROOPS ARE THERE TO PROTECT THE IRAQI CIVLIANS. THATS THE WHOLE RESON THEY ARE THERE. AND IT'S THIER COUNTRY WHAT YOUR SAYING IS EVERYTHING A FRIENDLY OCCUPYING FORCE SHOULD AVOID.
How are you going to protect them if you shoot them all.
And I'm glad your having problems Spankster :) just wish you had problems finding "dirt" on the Americans too. |
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| EvilTree |
| quote: | Originally posted by FuzzyGreen
This is a good example of how the British people are acting like libral Nancyboys and fail to see that we are fighting a war for our survival. The Iraqi's are sub-human and when you are in a war it's good to promote this thought among your army. |
Calling Iraqis subhumans is a good way to get the Iraqis to like you, eh?
And you wonder why Yanks are doing poorly in Iraq. :rolleyes: |
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| xKaoSx |
| quote: | Originally posted by Dervish
Thats exactly why the Americans are having so many problems. You can't do that to civlians. You just can't. The soliders are professionals the civlians are civlians.
REMEMBER THE TROOPS ARE THERE TO PROTECT THE IRAQI CIVLIANS. THATS THE WHOLE RESON THEY ARE THERE. AND IT'S THIER COUNTRY WHAT YOUR SAYING IS EVERYTHING A FRIENDLY OCCUPYING FORCE SHOULD AVOID.
How are you going to protect them if you shoot them all.
And I'm glad your having problems Spankster :) just wish you had problems finding "dirt" on the Americans too. |
The troops are there to protect the civilians from themselves.
Seriously- what would you have the troops do? How many troops would have to die before you would change your mind?
Who's life do you think is worth more? A US Soldier or Iraqi civilian? |
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| Dervish |
| quote: | Originally posted by xKaoSx
The troops are there to protect the civilians from themselves.
Seriously- what would you have the troops do? How many troops would have to die before you would change your mind?
Who's life do you think is worth more? A US Soldier or Iraqi civilian? |
I would have the troops err on the side a caution with regard to the use of force. How many civilians have to die before you change your mind. I belive both lives are worth the same BUT the solider is a professional and knows what he or she signed up for. The civilian is a civilian who the soliders job it is to protect even die for that civilian. And in Iraq thouse are Iraqi civilians. |
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| EvilTree |
| quote: | Originally posted by NYCTrancefan
This thread is summed up in this commentary, take the British and put them in Fallujah and we will see how successful the tactics are in the end. If the British are indeed better at dealing with security why aren't they in these towns instead of American troops, or moreover working with American troops in such violent cities. |
Because there are only limited number of Brits, and they stretched rather thinly in terms of resources at the moment.
Don't bite more than you can chew. |
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| George Smiley |
| quote: | Originally posted by xKaoSx
The troops are there to protect the civilians from themselves.
Seriously- what would you have the troops do? How many troops would have to die before you would change your mind?
Who's life do you think is worth more? A US Soldier or Iraqi civilian? |
What the hell is the point of us being there in the first place if we shouldn't protect the civilians?!
As soon as everybody realised we were fed a load of bull about WMDs, the government changed its mind and then preceded to tell us we were there to liberate Iraqis from oppression!
Now how the hell is viewing all Iraqis as a potential threat helping acheive that objective?! |
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