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British commanders condemn US tactics (pg. 17)
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| occrider |
| quote: | Originally posted by dukes
if the people in iraq are brainwashed then so were the people in NI. there was the same passion for their cause in both cases. and the same methods of recruting and havign "fighting for the cause" as a way of life and upbringing.
do you really understand what NI was about and like? because by the sonds of things you have no idea.
we have tried being agressive and passive and have prooved to ourselves that the passive gets the job done keeping the publitc onside and being effective. these are tried and tested methods that you seem to pawn off as false. |
Were there very many suicide bomb attacks? |
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| dukes |
| quote: | Originally posted by occrider
Were there very many suicide bomb attacks? |
i dont see how this is relivant at all? what do terrorist methods prove? |
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| DjSway |
| quote: | Originally posted by Dervish
Yeah but the whole point is. Indiscriminate shooting and shoot "in doubt" firstly are illegal and secondly will result in more "body bags". And right now I'm at uni and I've considered joining the navy and air force when I leave. If your such an authority on it why don't you join up? |
You can't compare IR and Iraq, that's like two different world, culture, religion, mental state ect.. Anyways, I never claimed that I'm an authority on this. I wouldn't join cause I don't want to be in danger of getting shot at in some distant foreign country. Yes, Indiscriminate shooting is illegal, but this war! There are no rules, I'm sure the Iraqees don't follow the Geneva convention guidelines. If you're "considering" joining the navy or air force good for you. But this won't put you in the shoe of a grunt like the American or any foreign soldiers in Iraq. If you are there as an infantry soldier, survive a full tour of duty then I will respect your comments. |
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| Dervish |
| There were no suicide attacks but that says one thing tho. These people were much more sofisiticated(sp) and organised. They really were on a differnt level to these crude mindless attacks. Fair enough though you could say that what makes them more dangerous. But I would say that experiance would be helpful in this situation. And if the British are doing it differntly or disagree with the American way of doing things then I know who I'd trust more. |
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| dukes |
| quote: | Originally posted by DjSway
You can't compare IR and Iraq, that's like two different world, culture, religion, mental state ect.. |
that is one of the most racist things ive ever heard!
if you want anyone to respect or even listen to your points of view i would sugest refraining from making these kinds of remarks. |
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| occrider |
| quote: | Originally posted by dukes
i dont see how this is relivant at all? what do terrorist methods prove? |
If one group was willing to sacrifice their lives as opposed to taking risks with their lives, that's some kind of indication that the level of "brainwashing" is slightly different. |
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| occrider |
| quote: | Originally posted by dukes
that is one of the most racist things ive ever heard!
if you want anyone to respect or even listen to your points of view i would sugest refraining from making these kinds of remarks. |
I don't think he meant they were retarded or anything. He probably meant mental state as in frame of mind. |
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| FuzzyGreen |
| quote: | Originally posted by dukes
that is one of the most racist things ive ever heard!
if you want anyone to respect or even listen to your points of view i would sugest refraining from making these kinds of remarks. |
Geeze that offends you and you find it racist? Kinda sensitive aren't you? |
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| DjSway |
| quote: | Originally posted by dukes
that is one of the most racist things ive ever heard!
if you want anyone to respect or even listen to your points of view i would sugest refraining from making these kinds of remarks. |
WTF are you talking about dukes? Someone must of have stolen your e pills. You don't tell me that there is no difference between Ireland and Iraq? Maybe you should get out more often. :rolleyes: |
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| DynaFire |
| US Mates, how many iraqis do you know? How many from NI? Being part of this happy willing group thing, ie Australian i'm just keen to know how my American brothers feel. I actually know quite a few from both country. If you are trying to tell me that one are real people and the other are apes that enjoy blowing themselves up, please take of the KKK hood and look at it a little less simplisticly. The US soldiers thought the viet cong where subhuman too, and yes members of my family served there. How well did that work? I think the viet cong proved they were not apes and beat you, due to more intelligent tactics, especially from General Vo Nguyen Giap. I have friends that are from NI. vietnam, cambodia and iraq. I'm from melbourne quite a multicultural place. My friends from iraq, vietnam, ireland are not subhuman, they have the same basic needs a wants in life. Same as the people in iraq and everywhere else. Maybe if you had met some of these people you wouldn't be quite as keen to kill them. |
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| DjSway |
I don't think the argument is about Iraqees being sub-humans (not in my case at least). I think we're talking about shooting civilians. Which is very unfortunate and sad but this happens in every war.
I would think as a soldier you don't want to shoot civilians and non-combatants but being in a highly stressful and lethal environment where you see your friends die, judgement becomes or even normal thinking is serioulsy impaired.
I'm not a born American, but actually asian. America did pull out of Vietnam; that doesn't necessarily mean that the US lost the war. North Vietnam lost over 1 million troops compared to 55,000 us troops if I'm correct. There are many factors that resulted in the US withdrawing from Vietnam. |
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| Dervish |
| quote: | Originally posted by DjSway
I think we're talking about shooting civilians. Which is very unfortunate and sad but this happens in every war.
I would think as a soldier you don't want to shoot civilians and non-combatants but being in a highly stressful and lethal environment where you see your friends die, judgement becomes or even normal thinking is serioulsy impaired.
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Yeah but people on here and some other sources say the American troops are using a policy of "If in doubt.....shoot it out" which is actually illegal. I mean obviously there are going to be civilian casualtys but a policy of "if in doubt....shoot it out" or in some cases "if doubt......take out the whole neighbourhood with artilary" is self defeating. |
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