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Oceanlab - Satellite.... best female vocal ever? (pg. 7)
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| Electronicmaji |
| no its like the worst track of all time boring and stupid I totally hated it trance by definition has to be at a certain octave....I listened to a progressive set the othere day and the only good song was the last one and only one part where they turned up the cuttoff and the octave because otherwise the dark stuff is not trance trance needs to make you feel good I could never dance to that stuff... |
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| IpLaYWiTLiGhTs |
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to each his own |
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| Mr. Pink |
Satellite is a good song. I like it and hear it quite often because it makes me feel a certain way that I appreciate when I'm hearing a song.
To say that this is not trance because it might appear to be too commercial or relay a meaning that you do not agree with solely because of your own interpretation of what "Trance" music is...meh, thats not necessarily the correct way to go about things.
As far as the characteristics of trance go, no matter how vague or expanding those qualities might be...Satellite does, in fact, exhibit the traits that qualify to be trance.
What if there were no vocals in Satellite....I would have to say that it'd still be trance, with or without the vocals.
Now, dont get me wrong.....the vocals, i happen to like, although at certain points in the song im asking myself "why did you use that word?"...but regardless, to say that this is not trance solely because the song does not appeal to you, or that the song exemplifies a commercialistic and/or poppy form of trance does not mean it is NOT trance.
What im trying to say is...like it or not, this is trance. It transfers a tranceish feel and, to me, Ocealab is typically a trance group, right?
Anyhow, these are my views.
flame away:tongue2 |
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| Cobalt |
| quote: | Originally posted by Zureal
:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
Snobishness and elitism is what's ruining trance music.
If i may borrow a quote "Such narrow mindedness annoys the hell out of me, it's like, just grow up and take your head out of your own arse". (-g- from anjuna beats).
I think that says it all don't you?
That is all. |
Look, you're the one making this hostile, not me. The tone makes you appear desperate. And no, rolleyes smilies do not give your post greater impact or significance.
I beg to differ about your opinion that elitism is the root. What's ruining trance is the breakdown of thoughtful and composed mix progressions into aimless anthem-dropping. Trance is about taking the listener on a journey, not about stringing together random epic tracks, as if beatmatching were a cute technique for avoiding the silences. Some trance pieces just aren't that great on their own, but are integral to a progression. The new school of Dutch trance, with its easily digestible melodic lines and vocals, does not understand that. Today's Dutch trance sets have no coherence. They are just as boring to me most contemporary progressive house sets, because there's no overarching theme or progression to follow. Just an aimless chain of the same same same.
Look into the DJs who understood this, the strongest part of trance: the mixed set. Listen to the works that Dave Seaman, Sasha, Digweed, Nick Warren, and other DJs crafted in the late 90s, through 2001. Hell, even Oakenfold, Tiesto, and Paul van Dyk understood this (and, to a degree, still do). But Dutch trance just doesn't. That's why people who gave birth to modern trance left the genre: because of Dutch trance. Seaman, Sasha, and Diggers don't spin trance because of what the genre has been distorted into, void of the deeper artistry they put into it.
How you feel this to be a narrowminded view, I do not see. It takes trance beyond the individual production into the realm of the progression, which is where the strength of the genre really lies. It takes music beyond the individual track into something greater, something that most other forms of music lack. This is a broader, more comprehensive view, not a narrowminded one.
Are the uplifting and epic trance tracks I like? Sure. But I don't hold the illusion that they are somehow on par with the trance pushed by progressive artists in the late 90s. And I certainly find no value in a string of them that does not attempt to be something more than a sum of its parts. That's what most newer trance DJs are doing, with Armin in the lead.
Satellite is the antithesis of what makes trance distinctive: subtlety, atmosphere, ability to build into something more in progression, and the capacity to entrance. How anyone can trumpet it as a decent example of trance, when it tears down the very principles that make this genre unique, I do not understand. |
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| Mr. Pink |
| Cobalt, i like your answer there..... and im interested in knowing what you feel is a good live set or track that DOES exhibit the true nature of trance, in your opinion.:D |
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| IpLaYWiTLiGhTs |
| quote: | Originally posted by Cobalt
Look, you're the one making this hostile, not me. The tone makes you appear desperate. And no, rolleyes smilies do not give your post greater impact or significance.
I beg to differ about your opinion that elitism is the root. What's ruining trance is the breakdown of thoughtful and composed mix progressions into aimless anthem-dropping. Trance is about taking the listener on a journey, not about stringing together random epic tracks, as if beatmatching were a cute technique for avoiding the silences. Some trance pieces just aren't that great on their own, but are integral to a progression. The new school of Dutch trance, with its easily digestible melodic lines and vocals, does not understand that. Today's Dutch trance sets have no coherence. They are just as boring to me most contemporary progressive house sets, because there's no overarching theme or progression to follow. Just an aimless chain of the same same same.
Look into the DJs who understood this, the strongest part of trance: the mixed set. Listen to the works that Dave Seaman, Sasha, Digweed, Nick Warren, and other DJs crafted in the late 90s, through 2001. Hell, even Oakenfold, Tiesto, and Paul van Dyk understood this (and, to a degree, still do). But Dutch trance just doesn't. That's why people who gave birth to modern trance left the genre: because of Dutch trance. Seaman, Sasha, and Diggers don't spin trance because of what the genre has been distorted into, void of the deeper artistry they put into it.
How you feel this to be a narrowminded view, I do not see. It takes trance beyond the individual production into the realm of the progression, which is where the strength of the genre really lies. It takes music beyond the individual track into something greater, something that most other forms of music lack. This is a broader, more comprehensive view, not a narrowminded one.
Are the uplifting and epic trance tracks I like? Sure. But I don't hold the illusion that they are somehow on par with the trance pushed by progressive artists in the late 90s. And I certainly find no value in a string of them that does not attempt to be something more than a sum of its parts. That's what most newer trance DJs are doing, with Armin in the lead.
Satellite is the antithesis of what makes trance distinctive: subtlety, atmosphere, ability to build into something more in progression, and the capacity to entrance. How anyone can trumpet it as a decent example of trance, when it tears down the very principles that make this genre unique, I do not understand. |
Spot ing on dude.
Keep writing/posting because although my writing abilities are not that great, your posts are exactly my thoughts.
Respect.
I would also like to add that everyone has their own opinion, but this we all know. |
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| Cobalt |
| quote: | Originally posted by Mr. Pink
What im trying to say is...like it or not, this is trance. It transfers a tranceish feel and, to me, Ocealab is typically a trance group, right? |
You're right. The vocals are a huge part of why I hold my opinion against the track. You could catagorize an instrumental version as epic trance, but it would remain a completely redundant piece of music compared with the rest of epic trance, which only further reinforces the uncreative anthem-dropping mold of Dutch trance DJs. |
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| Mr. Pink |
| quote: | Originally posted by Cobalt
You could catagorize an instrumental version as epic trance, but it would remain a completely redundant piece of music compared with the rest of epic trance, which only further reinforces the uncreative anthem-dropping mold of Dutch trance DJs. |
that makes complete sense. But essentially we're basically all agreeing it IS trance....I guess the main disagreement here is whether it's good trance or not?! hehe |
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| mto |
| quote: | Originally posted by Rukahs
I think this is the best female vocal in a trance song, what do you guys think? |
nah...
good trance vocals:
cass & slide - perception (vocal)
delerium - innocente (tiesto mix)
bt - dreaming (original) & (libra mix)
bt - mercury & solace (original)
chicane - autumn tactics (thrillseekers club mix)
ascension - someone (original)
oceanlab - sky falls down (original)
thrillseekers - dreaming of you (original)
solar stone - speak in sympathy (original)
iio - rapture (avb remix) |
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| Cobalt |
| quote: | Originally posted by Mr. Pink
Cobalt, i like your answer there..... and im interested in knowing what you feel is a good live set or track that DOES exhibit the true nature of trance, in your opinion.:D |
A few compilations I can think of would be:
Sasha - Global Underground 013: Ibiza
DJ Tiesto - In Search of Sunrise 2 (and the rest, for that matter)
Dave Seaman - Global Underground 012: Buenos Aires
Noel Sanger - Trance II: An Altered State of Consciousness
Dave Seaman - Renaissance, The Masters Series, Part One: Awakening
All of Northern Exposure
Some livesets I can think of:
Sasha - Essential Mix (27-02-2000)
Paul van Dyk @ Mayday 2000
Marco V @ Club Eau (24-11-2001)
Paul Oakenfold @ Gatecrasher 1999 (although his mixing is a bit off)
Different people will of course have different favorites. Those are just some of mine. And older livesets are often difficult to get ahold of, which is why I don't know of many older ones. |
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| Radagast |
| quote: | Originally posted by Cobalt
Sasha - Essential Mix (27-02-2000)
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FKN EH!! :eyes:
At any rate, I like the Coldharbour remix of Satellite, but it could still do without the vocals. Dislike the other remixes for all the reasons previously stated and so on. |
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| emperorhui |
| I'm not sure if Satellite makes it to my #1 spot. I like Clear Blue Water better, but thats just what I think |
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