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Oceanlab - Satellite.... best female vocal ever? (pg. 8)
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| quote: | Originally posted by Rukahs
I think this is the best female vocal in a trance song, what do you guys think? |
you must had a very hard decision between this and ian van dahl - castles in the sky.
altough i like this tune very much, it has some cheese in it. if u want to take some good vocal tunes imo it will be beautiful things or smthing like that. |
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| A_M_8 |
| quote: | Originally posted by A_M_8
Is the version of this song that is 11:16 minutes long the final version? or is it someone's edit/work???? (I'm talking about the coldharbour remix) |
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| YaleTrance |
| quote: | Originally posted by Cobalt
Look, you're the one making this hostile, not me. The tone makes you appear desperate. And no, rolleyes smilies do not give your post greater impact or significance.
I beg to differ about your opinion that elitism is the root. What's ruining trance is the breakdown of thoughtful and composed mix progressions into aimless anthem-dropping. Trance is about taking the listener on a journey, not about stringing together random epic tracks, as if beatmatching were a cute technique for avoiding the silences. Some trance pieces just aren't that great on their own, but are integral to a progression. The new school of Dutch trance, with its easily digestible melodic lines and vocals, does not understand that. Today's Dutch trance sets have no coherence. They are just as boring to me most contemporary progressive house sets, because there's no overarching theme or progression to follow. Just an aimless chain of the same same same.
Look into the DJs who understood this, the strongest part of trance: the mixed set. Listen to the works that Dave Seaman, Sasha, Digweed, Nick Warren, and other DJs crafted in the late 90s, through 2001. Hell, even Oakenfold, Tiesto, and Paul van Dyk understood this (and, to a degree, still do). But Dutch trance just doesn't. That's why people who gave birth to modern trance left the genre: because of Dutch trance. Seaman, Sasha, and Diggers don't spin trance because of what the genre has been distorted into, void of the deeper artistry they put into it.
How you feel this to be a narrowminded view, I do not see. It takes trance beyond the individual production into the realm of the progression, which is where the strength of the genre really lies. It takes music beyond the individual track into something greater, something that most other forms of music lack. This is a broader, more comprehensive view, not a narrowminded one.
Are the uplifting and epic trance tracks I like? Sure. But I don't hold the illusion that they are somehow on par with the trance pushed by progressive artists in the late 90s. And I certainly find no value in a string of them that does not attempt to be something more than a sum of its parts. That's what most newer trance DJs are doing, with Armin in the lead.
Satellite is the antithesis of what makes trance distinctive: subtlety, atmosphere, ability to build into something more in progression, and the capacity to entrance. How anyone can trumpet it as a decent example of trance, when it tears down the very principles that make this genre unique, I do not understand. |
Enough said!
And also, I don't think the problem of Satellite is just the vocals. In terms of production quality the track is pretty generic, it follows a formula that has been raped and exploited to the max in the past. Just like Burning with Desire, which is even worse. |
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| DJ Mikey Mike |
The Markus Schulz Instrumental and Luke Terry Instrumental is where it's at  |
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| hooknife |
| quote: | Originally posted by Hard_NRG
hahaha, not by a long shot. |
Good but............come on! |
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| JulieFirefly |
| This track has been so successful that it has generated a long thread - that is apparent. Whether you like it or not, the fact is that it is a huge tune in the clubs, and means a lot to a lot of people. To me this track has absolutely nothing to do with Ian van Dahl whoever said that! It's just a great track that happens to be very popular so people will start to criticise it because it's doing so well, just like people do with DJs that are successful. Some of those same people loved the song when it first surfaced - a similar pattern to ATRC. I think it's a shame that we live in a world which doesn't like success. |
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| Cobalt |
| quote: | Originally posted by JulieFirefly
It's just a great track that happens to be very popular so people will start to criticise it because it's doing so well, just like people do with DJs that are successful. Some of those same people loved the song when it first surfaced - a similar pattern to ATRC. I think it's a shame that we live in a world which doesn't like success. |
This is not about criticizing something popular. |
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| DjCoz |
| quote: | Originally posted by Zureal
Snobishness and elitism is what's ruining trance music.
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Snobishness and elitism is what keeps trance moving forward, if there weren't experts on the topic everyone would be stuck in the Eurodance phase.
Rukahs
Calling anything the best track "ever" is assuming that the future will not produce better tracks, which seems counterintuitive, although there is the possibility that a genre has reached perfection like sculpting and Michaelangelo, but I personally believe everything can be improved upon. |
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| christian_rusch |
| Blah, this "argument" is completely pointless as tastes differ quite alot from person to person. For some it truly is the best track ever and for some the worst ever, just live with it; explaining that it surely isn't the best track ever and that whoever thinks it is (or isn't) is a moron, is stupid because every track out there is both the best and the worst and everything inbetween depending on whom you ask. It's not one of my absolute favourites, but it's quite good if you ask me; but then again, that's if you ask me, it's my so called opinion (woo, what's that word mean?). |
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| Ray7455 |
| quote: | Originally posted by Cobalt
Some livesets I can think of:
Sasha - Essential Mix (27-02-2000)
Paul van Dyk @ Mayday 2000
Marco V @ Club Eau (24-11-2001)
Paul Oakenfold @ Gatecrasher 1999 (although his mixing is a bit off)
Different people will of course have different favorites. Those are just some of mine. And older livesets are often difficult to get ahold of, which is why I don't know of many older ones. |
Gotta add Chicane - Live in Palladium (22-1-2000) to that list |
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| Plastick |
| quote: | Originally posted by refuge.01^
4. Nerina Pallot
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:cool:
Back to topic: No. Nice but not the best vocal. |
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