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Good bedroom dj setup... (pg. 4)
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| DjJade |
im not sure how to explain what i mean... i knwo where you are coming from wiht your arguments but i guess with that logic, why arent the same headphones used in studios used also in the dj booths of clubs? i guess since you arent playing on a huge system you can sacrifice the need for huge bass response and tons of clerity at loud volumes with balance and dynamics and articulation. at a club you wanna beatmatch and keep the momentum going for people stay on the dance floor. in the bedroom, for me atleast, i focus more on subtle details and progression.
i do agree though that aesthetically, the 280s are ugly. but looks is among the bottom of my priorities.
but i think the main point is that everyone hears differently and thus prefer diferent kinds of headphones. i personally think that sennheiser sound [both hd280 and hd-25] is much cleaner and more acuratt than the pio hdj1000 and especially sony v700. i have had alot of experience listening and mixing with all of them. |
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| cybertranceJPK |
I also wanted to add I don't buy that a wide frequency response range is not needed... you are wrong on the best headphones in the world, I looked up the freq res for 3 headphones commonly thought to be the best in the world.
Grado RS-1 - 12hz-30khz impedence of 32 ohms
Senn HD650 - 10-39.5khz impedence of 30 ohms
Senn Orpheus - 7-100,000 Hz (-10 dB)
14-85,000 Hz (- 6 dB)
25-75,000 Hz (- 3 dB)
impedence of 10 ohms
I couldn't be bothered to find info on Stax Omega headphones, but i think that this pretty much disproves your idea that the best headphones in the world go to 16khz. Sorry to rain on your parade on that one. |
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| DjJade |
well i was thinking abotu some of the best in-ear monitors like ultimate ears and if you wanna talk price..they are 900 dollars not including the appointment you have to make with a professional audiologist to take imprints of your ears.
"best heapdhones in the world" is a very general term and im sorry you wasted your time looking up all of those specs on just a few of what really is out there. |
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| cybertranceJPK |
| quote: | Originally posted by DjJade
well i was thinking abotu some of the best in-ear monitors like ultimate ears and if you wanna talk price..they are 900 dollars not including the appointment you have to make with a professional audiologist to take imprints of your ears. |
Lets see, Stax with amps are 5600 USD, RS-1 are 600 for the headphones alone, Senn HD650 are 500USD, and the Orpheus is 12000 USD with amp and keys. Orpheus is out of production though.
it wasnt a waste of time, everytime i do something like that I learn more... so it doesnt bother me to research and learn. my academic background makes me a research hound anyways. those headphones are what stereophile magazine would refer to as class A components. Also, part of what makes fitted, in-ear monitors so expensive is the audiologist appointment. Unless you are at a research institution like University of Florida, with a world class audiology department that would probably do it for free. My roommate my last semester was a masters student in acting, getting ready for a phd in audiology. He is one of the leading amateur researchers on perfect pitch recognition, so I got a pretty good basis on the importance of all of the things you seem to be dismissing. You can visit his website at www.aruffo.com/eartraining/ |
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| DjJade |
i think you missed the point of my last post which was to point out the fact that there are tons of "best headphones in the world" out there and you cant just name a few to prove your point. this isnt a price war
there are tons that sound good, some dont go up to 20k and some go way over but that doesnt chaneg the fact that you cant hear frequencies over 20kish.... unless youre like a dog or soemthing |
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| cybertranceJPK |
| quote: | Originally posted by DjJade
i think you missed the point of my last post which was to point out the fact that there are tons of "best headphones in the world" out there and you cant just name a few to prove your point. this isnt a price war
there are tons that sound good, some dont go up to 20k and some go way over but that doesnt chaneg the fact that you cant hear frequencies over 20kish.... unless youre like a dog or soemthing |
No, there are not "tons of best headphones in the world", top of the line audiophile headphones, and speakers for that matter (think Kharma Grand Exquisite speakers) are easily distinguished by price, quality, and technical specifications. Go grab a copy of stereophile magazine and see what they say about the orpheus... hell, even TA has threads talking about the orpheus being the singular best headphone system ever made. It is a worthless exercise to fall back on "It doesn't matter because you can't hear it" because it does matter, and with effort and training, you can hear it. maybe a bedroom dj wont go to the effort, but that is not an excuse to claim a technically inferior product is "better" because YOU can't hear the 5,000hz on the high end. Your idea basically eliminates the entire range of electrostatic headphones. If frequency response and impedence were worthless, audiophiles would not need to spend 12,000 dollars on an orpheus or kharma speakers..... they would just buy HD280s and look ugly. |
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| cybertranceJPK |
| For reference, Kharma Grand Exquisite Reference 1A speakers (the ferrari of speakers @ 100,000 USD a piece) have a frequency response of 25hz-100khz with an impedence of only 4 ohms. They are the best on the planet, and I HIGHLY doubt someone prepared to spend 200k on a pair of speakers would waste the money if they couldn't hear 80% of the frequency range of the speakers. |
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| DjJade |
im not saying that the heafdphones you mentioned arent the best or whatver. im sayingt hat theres alot out there that you might not know about. stereophile magazine reviews alto of popular heaphones on the market but there are alot of more esoteric things.
we are referring to the time when i mentioned that SOME of the best headphones in the world... not the best headphone in the world and im not arguing wiht you about whats better.
im not saying anything is better or worse just from specs. if you go back and read what i have been writing, you will see that i have been sying that people just need to hear for themselves and not base everything on technical specifications.
also i highly doubt that audiophiles buy headphones based on how high the frequency response goes. they listen to headphones becuase of other more important characteristics that they happen to appreciate in a pair of headphones. i dont have time to read sterophile magazine or whatver but im sure they dont spend much time marveling at the beauty of the 1quadrillionthbillionththousanth frequency.
i understand what you mean with the argument in your last post but i always thought that the point in publishing high frequency responses is to show that the headphone comfortably will respond well to the full range of ones hearing. not that they expect people to hear 100khz but that if it can go upthat high, thats enough headroom for what you can hear etc.
but again i doubt people buy expencive headphones and speakers becuase of the frequency range...meaning i dont think most audiophiles consider the frequencyrange as the most importnat criterion in choosing a hi-fi system. |
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| cybertranceJPK |
| if you talk to most audiophiles, they dont buy based on what sounds good, they buy based on what reproduces sound in the most realisitic and effective manner. They want sound to sound exactly like it would if you were in the room when it was recorded. They want to learn how to hear sound that would sound like that... people dont invest half a million dollars in ultimate high end setups because they think it sounds good, they do it because they know it sounds correct. |
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| DjJade |
| which is their difinition of what sounds good... |
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| Dirk W. |
| If you pay 100,000 for a speaker, and I honestly don't care who you are, I will pencil you, no wait, pen you in my book as one of the biggest idiots of all time. I don't care what the application of that speaker might be and what your financial background is. |
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| BryZe |
| quote: | Originally posted by Dirk W.
If you pay 100,000 for a speaker, and I honestly don't care who you are, I will pencil you, no wait, pen you in my book as one of the biggest idiots of all time. I don't care what the application of that speaker might be and what your financial background is. |
Well atleast someone is talking some sense here...I can put 2 names down for people that need to create their own WHINY ASS thread. |
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