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drugs and raves??? (pg. 9)
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| 3xx3r7 |
| quote: | Originally posted by Rodrico
That's only a matter of choice and taste in how to live ones life. Its like saying, sure I could eat healthy all my life and nutritious, but sometimes that greasy hamburger from macdonalds just looks too good to pass up, plus it tastes so good and im enjoying it so bad. You need to realize that drugs enhance the way people look at things or enjoy a moment, sure I am more than possible to enjoy my life without drugs, I actually dont do as much drugs as it may seem. I do go through binges of drug use during summer time, when im away from school or have too much going on in my real life, and drugs are by no way a good means to escape lifes pressures or unpredictable obstacles, I know to do drugs when a good night is happening, when I am free of burden and any responsibility of social morale code and ethics to follow.
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Again, living happy life does not require drugs to make it even happier. I agree that drugs are not the way to escape the problems and obstacles, and they are not the way to improve your experience either. You can just have a good time with friends at a club and get high on trance, like I always do. :D
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Well, before making such a bold statement, I would ask you provide me all the evidence in such a claim, so that I could atleast try to give you my take on it..which goes along the lines of stupid people ruin the scene, not me and other regular drug users who know better and end up doing drugs for many years and who do not have regrets or have caused any harm to anyone. So how could those people possibly be related to the people who ruined the scene in your hometown of Orlando?
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There were several articles in local newspaper about this. I even had a cutout somewhere. If I find it, I'll scan it. Until then, I'll leave this issue. Maybe I generalized too much, but you know how media is. They generalize everything; therefore, people believe it; therefore, they equate drugs to trance or EDM in general. That is, if they see someone high at the club, where they play trance, they will be more than happy to write a story about evil trance music that makes you use drugs.
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True story, she drugged me into believing I liked her. What can I say, drugs dont always make you make the right love decisions.
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Are you still with her? Then why haven't you ditched her yet.
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True, I wouldnt go so far to say that they actually make a different person out of you, and while long term effects are varied and never accurate from study to study, your right, drugs do have long term effects that could be severe, depending on the person. Thats why I always tell people to do drugs in moderation if they plan on doing them.
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Those long term effect make a different person out of some people. Not everyone can handle them and when they start taking drugs too much, they will do everything to get their fix.
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No its not a generalization, its a joke I make towards people who cant handle to take any real responsibility for themselves and others, and are so selfish and ignorant, that they make actions that not only effect them and the people they love, but people who try to enjoy a music culture, by giving its people a bad name.
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Yep, kinda like people who don't know the norm and who can't stop.
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Your post was very well written and I respect the fact you went out and put me in my place on each point. :toocool: Cheers!
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I appreciate it. I just don't want the scene to go down completely because of drugs, and I don't want the people without the knowledge of EDM to have stereotypes about us trancers. |
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| Rodrico |
| quote: | | Are you still with her? Then why haven't you ditched her yet. |
Long gone brotha, way long gone...lol |
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| albertoR |
| quote: | "The origins of trance music can be traced back hundreds of years to religious roots with tribal shaman, who with the aid of natural hallucinogenic and log drums, induced trance-like states on to the tribes people.
The Repetitive nature of many of these early tracks in this era provided clubbers with the ideal chance to immerse themselves in a new style of music similar to how the origianl tribes people did. Although, instead of buffalo skin stretched over a wooden log, the beats were created with machines and the nautural hallucinogenics were repalced with manufactured chemical alternatives, E etc" |
http://www.tranceaddict.com/forums/...+of+electronica
so you see, its tradition. |
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| MizTickle |
| quote: | Originally posted by ))the source((
I am ing sick of people crediting trance to drugs. That is such bull. "There would be no trance without drugs". I have heard it over and over. Seriously, shut up. You underestimate these DJs way too much. How about..."There would be no trance without the damn DJ." |
haha right on.. personally i prefer to say:
"There'd be no trance without imagination."
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Some ppl dont give ones imagination enough credit.. fuk, i was mentally high years before i ever picked up a drug. lol, and when i wear my heels, i feel drunk cuz im not used to the added height so im all wabbly.. same sh!T, just a different pile... its all in yur head; its a state-of-mind. Look at Pablo Picasso.. he had quite the ed up imagination.. lil crazy thou.. but he was an artistic genius. Hmm.. maybe he just did too much drugs in his day whatever.. MY POINT IS : we're born with an imagination, drugs don't create it. |
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| MizTickle |
| quote: | Originally posted by Rodrico
I dunno what cheap in crack theyre giving you down there in Tennessee, but all i know is, when im doing E, and my friend isnt doing E, one of us is going to keep on going like the energizer bunny, while the other is going to burn out like a chump after 8 hours of dancing. |
really.. when i go dancin @ after hour clubs, im always the last one off the dancefloor and im bustin it harder than the e-tards who come and go off the dancefloor. I go hard the whole time im there, 3am -atleast 10am... not to mention i was already dancin earlier in the night between 9:30-2:30.. and hmm.. imagine that, *I*'m the sober one.
Oh ya.. and im still good to go at any after-party.. and hmm.. AGAIN, Im the sober one. So what were you saying...?
| quote: | Originally posted by Rodrico
You go to a club to have fun and party with people around you who enjoy the same music you do. I hate running into people who just stare all night at a DJ like as if they have some sort of cosmic connection to what hes doing, or the DJ himself. Newsflash, DJ's dont really give a about you 'the individual', unless your really hot with big breast, or really famous. So watch the in dancefloor and watch the person beside you, instead of staring off into the stage like a useless doorknob you are. |
and that has to do with drugs how? People do that wether theyre high or sober.. i think they figure it makes them look like theyre dj's too.. however, ive also been told that alot of people who spin learnt from watchin others play
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Even then, most crackheads I know are pretty crazy and spontaneous, I would never go past them to scare the outta me when theyre up to their usual cracky-habits. |
knowin' crackheads doesnt say much about you.. especially when theyre your 'limit' marker. Personally, i dont care who you are, if someones a crackhead or hardcore drug-user,i stay the hell away from them and make sure i DONT know them. You are who ya hang around with.
| quote: | Originally posted by Rodrico
Ive noticed it is more predominately non-drug users who end up being more snobby, stupid and selfish (the three S's), and unbearable to talk to the whole night as oppose to responsible drug users, who do not go overboard. |
Probibly cuz non-drugusers dont wanna know let alone associate with druggies. Plus, if the people you know are only decent ppl when high, then they are pretty shady 'friends'.
Then again.. what do i know.. i could just be misinterpreting everything you said. :happy2: |
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| sikrav |
| raves in australia are only about the drugs...and dont we love it.!!! |
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| Rodrico |
| quote: | Originally posted by MizTickle
really.. when i go dancin @ after hour clubs, im always the last one off the dancefloor and im bustin it harder than the e-tards who come and go off the dancefloor. I go hard the whole time im there, 3am -atleast 10am... not to mention i was already dancin earlier in the night between 9:30-2:30.. and hmm.. imagine that, *I*'m the sober one.
Oh ya.. and im still good to go at any after-party.. and hmm.. AGAIN, Im the sober one. So what were you saying...? |
Here's have a cookie, it reads "How wondeful! can you tell me something else about you that I could care less about?" I guess my reasoning is flawed because you are the answer to raves biggest problem, how does one stay sober at a club all night and be really really cool like Miztickle, but no one cant, its just impossible to be as great a dancer (I imagine to you, someone who just hops up and down in one spot is dancing)and great a sober partier as MizTickle, she is genetically pre-disposed to an unlimited fountain of stamina and great moves that make her 'bust' it harder than any e-tards. Must be hard in Calgary to dance off against most rednecks. Anyways whats with all the rednecks posting in this thread? what is this, the yee-haw forum?
| quote: | | and that has to do with drugs how? People do that wether theyre high or sober.. i think they figure it makes them look like theyre dj's too.. however, ive also been told that alot of people who spin learnt from watchin others play |
I didn't say it had to do specifically with drugs, I was naming traits of the annoying sober, pretenious, uptight clubber who dreams of becoming a real world class DJ by watching his favorite DJ spin. While your point stands, sure he can learn a few things from watching others, but come on, I mean how much learning is he going to get in a really dark club, with people most likely bothering him to dance,and a DJ that doesnt talk back to him half the time to explain anything. Unless your good friends with said DJ, going to a club to learn how to DJ is the most retarded thing ive ever heard of. I hope you agree that paying 20-50 bucks to watch a DJ play in the dark club while thousands of other people are parting is yes..retarded.
| quote: | | knowin' crackheads doesnt say much about you.. especially when theyre your 'limit' marker. Personally, i dont care who you are, if someones a crackhead or hardcore drug-user,i stay the hell away from them and make sure i DONT know them. You are who ya hang around with. |
Oh your too good for people who do drugs, thats great, I guess my generalization of the snobby, pretenious, sober clubber isn't too far a stretch from your own character? And your right, you are who you hang with, on that note, how are the mentally handicapped these days? they still letting you play outside and having fun with Corky?
| quote: | | Probibly cuz non-drugusers dont wanna know let alone associate with druggies. Plus, if the people you know are only decent ppl when high, then they are pretty shady 'friends'. |
By coming up with this well thought out retort, not only did you agree with me by showing the snobbiness of some people who dont do drugs, because they dont wanna be "associated" with druggies (oh the evilness, druggies are so bad) but the fact that you followed that point with a point beyond the comprehension of God's own divine intelligence. Yes, me and my friends are only good people when were high, most of the time we go around stealing or committing crimes to further the evilness of our shady druggie characteristics. If you got from my point that all my friends are only good when high, then I am sorry, but you must go back to grade 12, and take up english class.
| quote: | | Then again.. what do i know.. i could just be misinterpreting everything you said. :happy2: |
Not at all, you flamed quite well, and I respect the balls (for lack of a better word) you showed for standing up for what you believe in, but alas, I must put you in your place little Calgary cow-girl. So go ride your bull and stampede yo ass on outta here! |
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| mmmyummybacardi |
I glanced over a few of the posts so if I repeat anything I apologize.
As much as some of you hate drugs the whole "scene" would be very very minimal if that, without them, it would be like opening a bar and not serving alcohol it just wouldnt work, drugs/edm go hand in hand,and all you people bashing drugs I'm sure you've been drunk out of your minds at some point in your life, so its rather hypocritical of you to say drugs are bad as alcohol is one of the worst drugs in my opinion, I go sober to all most all the parties I go to, but when I have done drugs I've had a great time and it's opened my mind to a lot of new things, just do everything in moderation. I also noticed that the argument seems to be kind of split between americans/ europeans, personally I hate living in north america everyone is to narrow minded only worried about there 9-5, seems a lot more layed back across the ocean but anyways thats my 2 cents.
Ryan |
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| ))the source(( |
| quote: | Originally posted by Rodrico
Well you quoted my post as a reference to your point in your post, and secondly we are not in the music forum we are in the chill out room forum, meaning we speak freely about subjects. How did I refer to this genre in my speech about CD's and records? and poetry? I was refering to drugs and art in general, I even said "outlook towards ANY music scene", I mean if you cant read, why write anything at all?
Lastly where the do you come up with these lines? "Don't ever disregard my intellect fool? You will just end up stabbing yourself in the head with a fork from feeling so stupid." Yeah I do feel like stabbing my head with a fork from becoming more stupid from reading your posts. Do you have chimps in your basement downstairs writing your brilliant posts? |
There is this thing. It's called University. I have been educated to read between the lines...and I can even read between the lines of your posts in regards to you as a person. I read that you are a jackass, and that chick is far better off without you anyways.. no matter how ugly she is. |
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| ))the source(( |
..and I forgot. I do have chimps in the basement, maybe a hundred or so. I don't do a thing uless they tell me to.
Good one buddy. |
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| Rodrico |
| quote: | Originally posted by ))the source((
..and I forgot. I do have chimps in the basement, maybe a hundred or so. I don't do a thing uless they tell me to.
Good one buddy. |
Well, family life can be a drag sometimes. |
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| ))the source(( |
For being a drug user, you sure do take things personally and seem to be a highly defensive person.
If you take a look at my first post in this thread, I only 'referred' to your post. There was not one point in my post where I shifted the blame on you or mentioned your name. My post was quite general. That leads to my first point...you need to get your head out of your ass.
Secondly, you stated that you were talking about the arts in general and were not directing it to trance. So...if you were not referring to trance, then why the hell did you take it so damn personally? You WERE referring it to trance therefore taking offence to my statement. If you weren't talking at all about trance, then you would not have regarded what I posted and would have had a much easier reaction.
And lastly, I read your post in response to the Calgarian.... man, you are a loser. Calgary and Calgarians are wicked. Have you ever even been out there? So my last point is that you should wake up to the fact that you are a blind fool. You should reconsider your ignorance because you really do come off as a crazy idiot. |
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