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A Marine with some major balls (pg. 4)
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| occrider |
I don't understand what the argument is in this thread. Put simply, the man's unit came under fire from enemy forces. Their escape route was blocked so the guy ordered a combat manuouver to position himself and some of his troops in such a way to attack enemy forces firing on his unit. In order to break the enemy kill zone, he personally lead a charge putting his life at risk.
Now, criticizing the guy because you perceive him to be an "american cowboy" acting out some "hollywood" stunt because it's "fun" is pretty silly because:
A) You don't know anything about the situation other than 1 paragraph of his exploits.
B) You have no idea what was going through his head or what his motivations were for his herioc acts be it to protect his men, or to secure his objective.
In light of these two things, the only criticism one can logically apply is: "he's an /murderer because he killed people". Now in the event that you're applying such criticism, you must neglect the fact that the man is a soldier in a time of war, and that he's in combat with legitimate enemy combattants. That's a logical criticism should you choose to adopt it. However, in order to avoid being labelled a hypocritical fool (which some people appear to not mind), one must apply such logic to every set of circumstances everywhere. Meaning Palestinian fighters attacking IDF forces, Iranian forces fighting against Iraq in the Iran-Iraq war, etc., are subsequentely /murderers as well. |
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| Yoepus |
| quote: | Originally posted by occrider
I don't understand what the argument is in this thread. Put simply, the man's unit came under fire from enemy forces. Their escape route was blocked so the guy ordered a combat manuouver to position himself and some of his troops in such a way to attack enemy forces firing on his unit. In order to break the enemy kill zone, he personally lead a charge putting his life at risk.
Now, criticizing the guy because you perceive him to be an "american cowboy" acting out some "hollywood" stunt because it's "fun" is pretty silly because:
A) You don't know anything about the situation other than 1 paragraph of his exploits.
B) You have no idea what was going through his head or what his motivations were for his herioc acts be it to protect his men, or to secure his objective.
In light of these two things, the only criticism one can logically apply is: "he's an /murderer because he killed people". Now in the event that you're applying such criticism, you must neglect the fact that the man is a soldier in a time of war, and that he's in combat with legitimate enemy combattants. That's a logical criticism should you choose to adopt it. However, in order to avoid being labelled a hypocritical fool (which some people appear to not mind), one must apply such logic to every set of circumstances everywhere. Meaning Palestinian fighters attacking IDF forces, Iranian forces fighting against Iraq in the Iran-Iraq war, etc., are subsequentely /murderers as well. |
Occrider.. I can't believe you had to explain this to them:eek: :( |
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| ResonantDrag |
that appears to be occriders best role in this forum... a breath of fresh, unadulturated reality.
hey oc, continue to keep it real:D |
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| Dopey |
| quote: | Originally posted by arctic
And you think that people respect your opinion on anything? All I've ever seen you do is launch ad hominems, make personal attacks and generally bait people. To put it plainly, you're behaving like a little kid - and you're dragging the level of discussion on this forum down with you. If you can't address things in a mature manner, then perhaps you shouldn't be posting in the first place. |
dood honestly, im not goin to have a political argument on the net, it just requires too much typing. if i was as patient and dedicated as occi i guess it would be different.
im not going to sit here and explain to these retards why they are retards, im just going to make fun of em :) |
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| Dopey |
| quote: | Originally posted by occrider
I don't understand what the argument is in this thread. Put simply, the man's unit came under fire from enemy forces. Their escape route was blocked so the guy ordered a combat manuouver to position himself and some of his troops in such a way to attack enemy forces firing on his unit. In order to break the enemy kill zone, he personally lead a charge putting his life at risk.
Now, criticizing the guy because you perceive him to be an "american cowboy" acting out some "hollywood" stunt because it's "fun" is pretty silly because:
A) You don't know anything about the situation other than 1 paragraph of his exploits.
B) You have no idea what was going through his head or what his motivations were for his herioc acts be it to protect his men, or to secure his objective.
In light of these two things, the only criticism one can logically apply is: "he's an /murderer because he killed people". Now in the event that you're applying such criticism, you must neglect the fact that the man is a soldier in a time of war, and that he's in combat with legitimate enemy combattants. That's a logical criticism should you choose to adopt it. However, in order to avoid being labelled a hypocritical fool (which some people appear to not mind), one must apply such logic to every set of circumstances everywhere. Meaning Palestinian fighters attacking IDF forces, Iranian forces fighting against Iraq in the Iran-Iraq war, etc., are subsequentely /murderers as well. |
why do u even bother? i mean i know why, because at the end of the day u enjoy the feeling of people going, WOW THATS COMPLETELY TRUE...but i mean why do u bother on the terrorists? they are always gonna smile inside when IDF soldiers die or some western target is hit. |
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| ResonantDrag |
| quote: | Originally posted by Dopey
why do u even bother? i mean i know why, because at the end of the day u enjoy the feeling of people going, WOW THATS COMPLETELY TRUE...but i mean why do u bother on the terrorists? they are always gonna smile inside when IDF soldiers die or some western target is hit. |
i don't think occ was trying to make some broadsweeping statement that the terrorists are now going to switch perspectives because we have soldiers doing what they are trained to do.
maybe you should try actually: first formulating a cohesive argument, and second, spelling it out to where you don't sound like a ________. |
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| Dopey |
| quote: | Originally posted by ResonantDrag
i don't think occ was trying to make some broadsweeping statement that the terrorists are now going to switch perspectives because we have soldiers doing what they are trained to do.
maybe you should try actually: first formulating a cohesive argument, and second, spelling it out to where you don't sound like a ________. |
i kno man, he was just trying to clear up some hypocrisy, and i dont care if i sound like an ass. |
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| ResonantDrag |
| quote: | Originally posted by Dopey
i kno man, he was just trying to clear up some hypocrisy, and i dont care if i sound like an ass. |
as long as you're happy:p |
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| MisterOpus1 |
| quote: | Originally posted by occrider
I don't understand what the argument is in this thread. Put simply, the man's unit came under fire from enemy forces. Their escape route was blocked so the guy ordered a combat manuouver to position himself and some of his troops in such a way to attack enemy forces firing on his unit. In order to break the enemy kill zone, he personally lead a charge putting his life at risk.
Now, criticizing the guy because you perceive him to be an "american cowboy" acting out some "hollywood" stunt because it's "fun" is pretty silly because:
A) You don't know anything about the situation other than 1 paragraph of his exploits.
B) You have no idea what was going through his head or what his motivations were for his herioc acts be it to protect his men, or to secure his objective.
In light of these two things, the only criticism one can logically apply is: "he's an /murderer because he killed people". Now in the event that you're applying such criticism, you must neglect the fact that the man is a soldier in a time of war, and that he's in combat with legitimate enemy combattants. That's a logical criticism should you choose to adopt it. However, in order to avoid being labelled a hypocritical fool (which some people appear to not mind), one must apply such logic to every set of circumstances everywhere. Meaning Palestinian fighters attacking IDF forces, Iranian forces fighting against Iraq in the Iran-Iraq war, etc., are subsequentely /murderers as well. |
Occ, you're so full of it. This guy is not a war-hero. John Kerry is a war-hero. My uncle is a war hero. This guy isin't even close.
Big difference.
You just don't get it. |
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| hardcore trancer |
| quote: | Originally posted by Dopey
fetish like that? are you 13? maybe when you start playing with girls' boobies you'll understand little boy. or boys' boobies maybe? i mean i know how that's not really an option in your culture, but just remember that there's nothing wrong with it little boy. just dont tell mommy. |
Go stick a pill up your ass you E head!!!
| quote: | | ps. dont be mad just cuz cuz went all CT on some Iraqis, I sure as hell would love to see a video of that. I can hardly imagine 1 person taking out 20 soldiers, wow they must have been really uncoordinated and basically retarded. |
so enjoy watching people getting killed??wow your more messed up then I thought. |
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| occrider |
| quote: | Originally posted by MisterOpus1
Occ, you're so full of it. This guy is not a war-hero. John Kerry is a war-hero. My uncle is a war hero. This guy isin't even close.
Big difference.
You just don't get it. |
Oh yea, he's (probably?) not a liberal I forgot. In that case he's just a conservative killer of babies :p
or rather a baby killer who's conservative, cuz afterall conservatives aren't conservative when it comes to killing babies and drinking their blood! |
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| FuzzyGreen |
| quote: | Originally posted by arctic
And you think that people respect your opinion on anything? |
I respect his opinion. I also respect his open-mindedness about sticking pills in his bum. It shows that he is more mature and open minded then all the terrorists on this board. |
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