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| DarkAngel |
I saw the video thanks to a link in COR.
Unbelievably gruesome, savage, inhuman. Ugh.
I hope we get those wads and cap 'em. |
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| vtec junkie |
| I think we should cage them up with some tigers and ......now that would teach them a lesson or two.:nervous: |
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| DarkAngel |
| quote: | Originally posted by vtec junkie
I think we should cage them up with some tigers and ......now that would teach them a lesson or two.:nervous: |
Let's make it REAL interesting. Let's starve the tigers for one day, THEN put them in. That should do the trick. :whip: :disbelief |
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| PVD_S11DJ |
| you have to remember that we're not savages like they are tho - thats what makes us different than them. we bring justice to those of us who commit crimes, they celebrate it. |
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| DarkAngel |
| quote: | Originally posted by PVD_S11DJ
you have to remember that we're not savages like they are tho - thats what makes us different than them. we bring justice to those of us who commit crimes, they celebrate it. |
Point very well made and taken....
But sometimes you have to fight fire with fire....
An eye for an eye......etc etc. |
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| vtec junkie |
| quote: | Originally posted by DarkAngel
Let's make it REAL interesting. Let's starve the tigers for one day, THEN put them in. That should do the trick. :whip: :disbelief |
Roman Empire style!!! Just like Gladiator except they wount have weapons or shields.:wtf: |
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| DarkAngel |
| quote: | Originally posted by vtec junkie
Roman Empire style!!! Just like Gladiator except they wount have weapons or shields.:wtf: |
Exactly. We give the scum the same chance that poor Berg kid had.
No chance.
No disrespect towards him or his family, of course. |
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| trunks1022 |
| quote: | Originally posted by GUBostonDubs
After reading more of this thread I stumbled onto this post and I must say you are totally wrong.You are of the "This is all George Bush's fault mentality".Saddam Hussein was the King of stalling and dancing around policies the UN established not just the United States.The Gulf War was over since 1991 and Saddam had over 10 years to comply with UN regulations.Bush actually had the guts to say the UN and actually hold Saddam accountable for not complying with International Law.Let me be clear in saying that I am not a George Bush advocate myself.Clinton was not doing about anything.His charisma landed him blowjobs in the oval office but he really was not strong at all in dealing with Saddam Hussein.Clinton actually had several small campaigns against iraq for not complying with UN resolutions but they basicly pin pricks and Saddam just sat in his Presidential palaces and laughed at us.Also North Korea was building up its nuclear capabilities behind Clinton's back anyways.More importantly,the Clinton administration did basicly nothing against Al Kaieda after the two Embassy bombings that killed Hundreds of U.S. Citizens and the fact that Al Kaieda was building up its capabilities and became an outspoken opponent of the United States.Clinton wouldn't have done . |
all i have to say is read richard clarke's book "Against All Enemies". i think u'll find that it disputes basically everything u just mentioned. and don't say it's anti-Republican, self-serving fodder, because he criticizes clinton too. |
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| steven neil |
| quote: | Originally posted by DarkAngel
Exactly. We give the scum the same chance that poor Berg kid had.
No chance.
No disrespect towards him or his family, of course. |
all sounds good in theory,,but how will it affect the next US hostage..they already killed nick berg as revenge for the way iraqui prisoners are getting treated by the allies..however,personally id make them eat their own cocks and hammer wooden fence posts up their arses..humiliation is the key,,plus you need a doctor there with you to make sure they remain alive throughout.. |
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| Shamez214 |
here's a VERY interesting link regarding the whole Berg crap i stumbled across. i am the ultimate skeptic, so you know what i think of this:
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| DaveSZ |
| quote: | Originally posted by PVD_S11DJ
you have to remember that we're not savages like they are tho - thats what makes us different than them. we bring justice to those of us who commit crimes, they celebrate it. |
I used to believe that too.
http://www.nytimes.com/2004/05/16/i...ast/16ABUS.html
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Rumsfeld and Aide Backed Harsh Tactics, Article Says
By DAVID JOHNSTONand TIM GOLDEN
Published: May 16, 2004
WASHINGTON, May 15 — Secretary of Defense Donald H. Rumsfeld and one of his top aides authorized the expansion of a secret program that had permitted harsh interrogations of detained members of Al Qaeda, allowing these methods to be used against prisoners at the Abu Ghraib prison in Iraq, according to an article in The New Yorker.
Mr. Hersh's account, to be published in the May 24 issue of the magazine, said that the expansion of the "special access program" allowed authorities in charge of Abu Ghraib to engage in degrading and sexually humiliating practices. It was posted on Saturday on The New Yorker's Web site.
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"According to interviews with several past and present American intelligence officials," Mr. Hersh wrote, "the Pentagon's operation, known inside the intelligence community by several code words, including Copper Green, encouraged physical coercion and sexual humiliation of Iraqi prisoners in an effort to generate more intelligence about the growing insurgency in Iraq."
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The article suggested that Mr. Rumsfeld and Mr. Cambone had, in effect, shifted the blame for the abuses away from top civilians at the Pentagon to lower-level military police guards who are facing disciplinary proceedings in military courts. |
http://newyorker.com/fact/content/?040524fa_fact
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THE GRAY ZONE
by SEYMOUR M. HERSH
How a secret Pentagon program came to Abu Ghraib.
Issue of 2004-05-24
Posted 2004-05-15
The roots of the Abu Ghraib prison scandal lie not in the criminal inclinations of a few Army reservists but in a decision, approved last year by Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld, to expand a highly secret operation, which had been focussed on the hunt for Al Qaeda, to the interrogation of prisoners in Iraq. Rumsfeld’s decision embittered the American intelligence community, damaged the effectiveness of élite combat units, and hurt America’s prospects in the war on terror.
According to interviews with several past and present American intelligence officials, the Pentagon’s operation, known inside the intelligence community by several code words, including Copper Green, encouraged physical coercion and sexual humiliation of Iraqi prisoners in an effort to generate more intelligence about the growing insurgency in Iraq. A senior C.I.A. official, in confirming the details of this account last week, said that the operation stemmed from Rumsfeld’s long-standing desire to wrest control of America’s clandestine and paramilitary operations from the C.I.A.
Rumsfeld, during appearances last week before Congress to testify about Abu Ghraib, was precluded by law from explicitly mentioning highly secret matters in an unclassified session. But he conveyed the message that he was telling the public all that he knew about the story. He said, “Any suggestion that there is not a full, deep awareness of what has happened, and the damage it has done, I think, would be a misunderstanding.” The senior C.I.A. official, asked about Rumsfeld’s testimony and that of Stephen Cambone, his Under-Secretary for Intelligence, said, “Some people think you can b******t anyone.”
The Abu Ghraib story began, in a sense, just weeks after the September 11, 2001, attacks, with the American bombing of Afghanistan. Almost from the start, the Administration’s search for Al Qaeda members in the war zone, and its worldwide search for terrorists, came up against major command-and-control problems. For example, combat forces that had Al Qaeda targets in sight had to obtain legal clearance before firing on them. On October 7th, the night the bombing began, an unmanned Predator aircraft tracked an automobile convoy that, American intelligence believed, contained Mullah Muhammad Omar, the Taliban leader. A lawyer on duty at the United States Central Command headquarters, in Tampa, Florida, refused to authorize a strike. By the time an attack was approved, the target was out of reach. Rumsfeld was apoplectic over what he saw as a self-defeating hesitation to attack that was due to political correctness. One officer described him to me that fall as “kicking a lot of glass and breaking doors.” In November, the Washington Post reported that, as many as ten times since early October, Air Force pilots believed they’d had senior Al Qaeda and Taliban members in their sights but had been unable to act in time because of legalistic hurdles. There were similar problems throughout the world, as American Special Forces units seeking to move quickly against suspected terrorist cells were compelled to get prior approval from local American ambassadors and brief their superiors in the chain of command.
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<< “Rumsfeld’s goal was to get a capability in place to take on a high-value target—a standup group to hit quickly,” a former high-level intelligence official told me. “He got all the agencies together—the C.I.A. and the N.S.A.—to get pre-approval in place. Just say the code word and go.” The operation had across-the-board approval from Rumsfeld and from Condoleezza Rice, the national-security adviser. President Bush was informed of the existence of the program, the former intelligence official said. >>
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These guys at the top like Rummy need to be tried for war crimes, but it will probably never happen.
This is why the neocons subverted the INt. Criminal Court, for they knew beforehand that they were going to invade Iraq. |
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| DarkAngel |
| quote: | Originally posted by steven neil
all sounds good in theory,,but how will it affect the next US hostage..they already killed nick berg as revenge for the way iraqui prisoners are getting treated by the allies..however,personally id make them eat their own cocks and hammer wooden fence posts up their arses..humiliation is the key,,plus you need a doctor there with you to make sure they remain alive throughout.. |
Yes, indeed. |
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