|
Loophole In Smoking Bylaw! Puff Away! (pg. 13)
|
View this Thread in Original format
| djeso |
| quote: | Originally posted by Cyrus King
You know what Jayx1.....this is what it will all come down too. Once you light a smoke up, people are either going to tell on you right then and there, drinks will be thrown at you, people will tell you to off, bouncers are going to harrass you and all this will, in the end, cause you to look like a big loser who thinks he can get away with these loop holes.
Just try lighting up, im sure trouble will come your way. You will never get your way now. Even if you have these things to prove your point, you think a bouncer is going to listen to your rambling?
Youre only getting yourself into by doing it.
get real |
well said :) |
|
|
| Superstar |
| quote: | Originally posted by Rodrico
Hahaha, thats so good! your a funny guy, I have a tear coming from my eye because of your post...
Well, I guess I cant match the intelligence of a 17 year old clubber (as everyone knows is wise and thoughtful). You see, when Superfag adds an arguement that bouncers could possibly take away cigarette packs because they did so to a load of moron "MINORS", who werent suppose to be smoking to begin with, at ty all ages clubs that nobody ever cares about (unless your into girls with training bra's and Diesel wearing homos with spikey hair and braces in their teeth), it kinda makes me wonder the brain capacity this kid is equivilant to, hmm maybe a in shoelace? Why dont you do me a favor and stop using that dippidy-do Gel because I think its seeping slowly into your brain you loser gino. So before posting back to me, do a little thing called thinking, and maybe you might get people to take you a tad bit more seriously, including me. |
Oh ok... so just because they "werent suppose" to be smoking means they can have their cigarettes confiscated? Really? "your" so smart!!!111
So why can 14 year olds smoke on the sidewalks of their schools and no one does anything about it? Where is the law that says minors cannot posess or smoke cigarettes? Oh , there isn't one... Damn, guess there goes your brilliant theory.
Hey guess what has a lower brain capacity than shoelace?
Hint: it starts with "R" and ends with "odrico" |
|
|
| Flec |
who the is this rodrico loser coming on and making fun of us youngsters
you buddy |
|
|
| PartyHarlequin |
| This forum has reached a new low... |
|
|
| OrZonE |
| quote: | Originally posted by abort416
its gonna force ppl to do harder longer lasting drugs at a club |
I really like your choice of words ;):rolleyes: |
|
|
| j_spot |
| quote: | Originally posted by Superstar
Oh ok... so just because they "werent suppose" to be smoking means they can have their cigarettes confiscated? Really? "your" so smart!!!111
So why can 14 year olds smoke on the sidewalks of their schools and no one does anything about it? Where is the law that says minors cannot posess or smoke cigarettes? Oh , there isn't one... Damn, guess there goes your brilliant theory.
|
dont know if its canadian law, or provincial law, but the police can take the cigarettes away from minors in Alberta, actually they can take them away from anybody who fails to produce ID saying you are 18+. Same way, if minors get caught with booze, they pour it out in front of you. |
|
|
| Wurm |
| Aside from all of the wasted bandwidth in this thread, I wonder how this weekend will bear out the reality of the new law as the clubs get cranked up with the big crowds. |
|
|
| DigiNut |
God, why are these threads always so long? It's quite simple really. IT IS NOW AGAINST THE LAW TO SMOKE IN CLUBS.
Yes there may be loopholes, just like there are loopholes with other municipal laws like parking tickets (i.e. if half your car is behind the no parking sign you technically should not get a ticket, but you will anyway). The point is that you get slapped with the fine anyway, you're expected to cooperate and if you don't then they can call the police. The loopholes won't help you unless you're willing to invest a lot of time and/or money in fighting the case in court, and even then, it's very likely that the judge will listen to the law-enforcement side and not you.
And it doesn't kill business. Just off with that already Jay, I know you were probably far too busy to read the essay I wrote on it (although evidently not too busy to search for and post hundreds of pro-smoking articles), but the fact is that saying "business has dropped 10% since the ban was instituted" proves jack because business is dropping 10% every year ANYWAY, it's a RECESSION for christ's sake.
Edit: it's not like bouncers ever cared about legalities anyway. They can beat the out of you and throw you out of the club at a whim - what are you going to do? Complain to the owner? Sue them? Go ahead, I'd like to see you try.
End of discussion! |
|
|
| Jayx1 |
| PH: parking offences and other MUNICIPAL highway offences do not fall under the Ontario Highway Traffic Act. |
|
|
| LoCa |
| quote: | Originally posted by Jayx1
Oh and one more for those who don't think this affects business.
| quote: |
Irish law hurts pubs
Associated Press
DUBLIN PUBS are losing customers because of Ireland's decision to ban smoking from workplaces, the main bar owners' association said yesterday. Business has slipped from 12% to 15% since smoking was banned in pubs on March 29, said Donall O'Keeffe, chief executive of the Licenced Vintners Association, which represents about 700 pubs in the capital.
"We expected April to be very bad and things to improve. That hasn't happened and is of great concern to us," O'Keeffe said. "While the impact is not totally uniform across Dublin pubs, make no mistake about it, the smoking ban is having a serious financial impact." |
|
Actually i can vouch for the truth of that statement. Some of you know i live in Ireland... The pubs here are suffering. It's true. The majority of the crowd that went to pubs after work or on a friday evening to watch the footie etc were smokers.
You should see the pubs now. There are so few people in there it's crazy. Pubs that i had to walk by to go to school every day were full of people before the smoking ban. Now? I'd say they've lost a good 1/4 if not almost 1/2 of their clientele.
Another trend i have seen developping over here too... A lot of the older crowd (we're talking family men mainly) used to go to the pub to chill and have a few beers with their mates. As they can't do this anymore, where do you think they smoke? Yup. At home. In their living room or wherever. With their kids there too. The amount of people smoking at home because they can't do it anywhere else (it's too bloody cold here at night to smoke outside) is increasing meaning that most of the time, their children are even more exposed to second hand smoke than they were before.
Personally, i don't believe this to be a good thing. Maybe you're happy because it's not you dying, and you know... fair enough. But after this what next? Banning smoking in homes? I think not.
In a country that has a HUGE amount of smokers (such as Ireland) banning smoking in pubs and clubs to accomodate the few non-smokers who actually got off their asses to say they didn't like it is absolutely ridiculous.
Before the smoking ban, the university i go to took a poll to find out what the student population a) thought of the ban, and b) if they should go ahead and stop smoking on our campus bar before the ban took place. Results? Close to 90% of the student population thought the ban was a big joke. And we kept smoking in our bar until the ban came in. After the ban took place, the university bar closed down. Why? Because no one went there anymore. Now we just buy our alcohol in shops, go home, invite a few friends over, and have a cigarette or 20 with our friends without having people nagging us to put our cigarettes out. |
|
|
| DigiNut |
| quote: | Originally posted by Jayx1
PH: parking offences and other MUNICIPAL highway offences do not fall under the Ontario Highway Traffic Act. |
Are you a moron? That's the reason I picked parking violations, because they fall under the category of municipal by-laws JUST like the smoke-free by-law. |
|
|
| Jayx1 |
I predict the same fate in Toronto especially when winter comes around...
Those who think it wont affect business here when it has in EVERY other jurisdiction are just fooling themselves. |
|
|
|
|
