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Sasha-Involver (pg. 3)
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| djway |
| quote: | Originally posted by muli
is it out yet? how much? me wanna get!
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It's out.
--djway |
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| lethal |
Muli i saw it (briefly) at HMV in the city - looked like a nice lil package but my attention was stolen by the Radiohead - The Bends Vinyl going for only $18... :eyes:
I think i stood in front of that vinyl for about 15 minutes trying to work out some way i could afford it (maybe if i only eat bread and water for the next 3 days? that sort of thing :D) |
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| gumble |
| quote: | Originally posted by djway
Not a fan.
6-7 listens over 3 days not a fan.
Yay Sasha remixed 10 tracks and sticks them on a CD.
After listening, I don't like the idea of sasha ing around w/ some1 else tracks(and by that I mean Sasha edits (as in Involver, not remixes)).....go produce his own and leave all the tracks as they should be instead of ing w/ it all...and to go and modifying tracks that don't really work, pulling stuff out of the non EDM side of things just so people call him eclectic and a chance to say he's putting a fresh breathe of life in2 EDM.....quiet vain
The way a lot of the mixes flow, I don't really like the progression of. I don't like how he starts building things then throws breaks in there, also annoying, then builds some more, then drops in felix. If this is the way DJing and CD's are to go, I'm not interested....I'll stay old school...
The tracks themselves are really quiet stale and boring, with the exception being Shpongle - Dorset Perception.
(Sasha Live:Now he's using Albion:LIVE of his DJ sets I really have no faith...I don't want 2 hear sasha cutting up some1 elses tracks.....cool mix them like a pro, layer 3 or 4, and cut them up ON dex, but don't go get a peice of software that auto beatmatches that gives u 5 mins 2 detune a melody, I want to HEAR the track. A track takes more then 10 mins to remix.....and if he's not doing it on the fly, it's not really DJing, it's more BT style of stuff)[ I am not against Albion:LIVE, Richie Hawtin is amazing on it, but he's always been amazing, and could do that sorta stuff on Vinyl/CDJ/FX processor].
005 still holds it for me, with Cattaneo's Renaissance Masters sitting 2nd. this sits very low for me. Nice concept, get some fresh as tracks, make the progression better, mix EDM tracks, and I'd probably rate it better then 005, for pushing the boundries, but this to me, is just a piss poor attempt.
--djway |
of course though, if a border community artist had gone and done something similar - it would be the wouldnt it?
I find it hard to see how people can compare this to anything else? Its a artist album mainly - the whole cd is more a production than a mix. Catteaneos Renaissance CD is a mix CD, although a damn fine one, its not in the same basket as Involver. In fact, is there anything else that is? Balance 005 - a mix cd as well, sure the tracks have been pitched / keyed first to fit, but Holden hardly went in and redited them. (Big ups to Balance 005 though, really setting off the careers of many of great new producers and I guess getting the support for BC records)
Whats wrong with re-edits anyway? Why cant a DJ / producer change stuff around so it fits better? Isn't that kinda the point? I know I would definetly edit stuff if I had the skill to.
So its fine you dont like it, but I cant see how it can be compared to plain mix cds.
Ive given it a heap of listens now (bout 15 or so) and I reckon that the Felix track works perfectly. I think I said that already on here or another forum, cant remember...
Also, I'm not really for the whole laptop stuff either - I prefer the older methods. But I think its jumping the gun a bit to bag a Sasha set and style that we are yet to hear. This guy has always been in the forefront of his game, and maybe he wants to throw something up a bit different. Yer sure, I'm a bit sceptical of it, but if he came down here with his laptop, I'd definetly go see him, and im sure it would be worth it. |
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| OzTiësto |
| quote: | Originally posted by gumble
of course though, if a border community artist had gone and done something similar - it would be the wouldnt it?
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| djway |
I will be seeing Sasha @ least 2 times in Europe, don't think I won't see him, I'd just prefer to hear the ARTISTS track, not his on the fly 10 min remix, no1 can remix a track in 10 mins, and if all he's doing is looping something, use a CDJ, if it's editing the track on the fly; leave it to the studio.
If u read what I wrote Gumble, I rate the concept quiet highly, just don't like the execution and tracks. If some1 on BC had done the EXACT cd, it'd be just as . I don't rate music based on artist, I maybe biased, but good music is good music...I listen 2 a lot of unlabelled CD's and my opinion aligns to the DJ's I like nearly every time(I didn't like the 1st 3 tracks in the latest holden set 4 the 1st 2-3 listens; love them now).
Interestingly enough, Holden is working on something that's BETTER then Albion Live, made by him for him/DJ's etc...not a studio application that's got Dance EJay red or the like in it.
For the rest of what you're going on about, I'm not bagging what he's doing....read what I wrote again "Nice concept, get some fresh as tracks, make the progression better, mix EDM tracks, and I'd probably rate it better then 005, for pushing the boundries, but this to me, is just a piss poor attempt.
". As you can see, I just don't like the progression, the track selection and some of the ways the tracks are intergrated (coz let's face it, it's not a mix, it's an intergration).
I don't like it, I'm not tell you to hate it, but like every1 else on here, I'm expressing my opinion.
--djway |
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| OzTiësto |
Yo wade, it's Ableton Live, not Albion....
Sorry it was just ting me :) |
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| djway |
| quote: | Originally posted by OzTiësto
Yo wade, it's Ableton Live, not Albion....
Sorry it was just ting me :) |
Lol, I've been trying 2 figure out what it was 4 2 days (not searching 4 it). Thanx 4 my sanity too (I kept thinking Albatros :p)
--djway |
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| JayKuE |
agree gumble n wade. its an integration, more so than a mix. hell, you could say sasha cheated like a mother ******. but u know what? at the end of the day, he made a damn good piece of music. and that's how its comprable to mix cds. because they're all pieces of music. same principle applies to his use of ableton live. as long as good music is coming out. a production cliche, its not what you use, its how u use it. they're all tools at the end of the day.
i dont know wade, i'm just not comprehending your disappreciation for involver. it sounds more so that you're jaded with how its made rather than what was made. did you just examine the "integration". did you just crtique each re-edit and track? why not forget all that, lay back and listen to it as a whole?
btw, why do tracks have to be fresh? are good tunes not timeless?
and what do you mean by mix edm tracks? is he not doing that? :conf: |
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| [ groovypants ] |
| I loved the seamless integration of These Days and What You Are To Me :tongue2 |
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| djway |
| quote: | Originally posted by JayKuE
i dont know wade, i'm just not comprehending your disappreciation for involver. it sounds more so that you're jaded with how its made rather than what was made. did you just examine the "integration". did you just crtique each re-edit and track? why not forget all that, lay back and listen to it as a whole?
btw, why do tracks have to be fresh? are good tunes not timeless?
and what do you mean by mix edm tracks? is he not doing that? :conf: |
By fresh I mean tracks NOT Unkle - In A State, Lostep - Burma, Petter - These Days (which is 30% of the CD). Add to that, the non EDM statment, I meant re-mixing tracks such as Felix Da Housecat - Watching Cars Go By and Ulrich Schnauss - On My Own, which aren't progressive tracks, or tracks u'd expect to be remixed(cross genre tracks that get remixed are usually MASSIVE tracks. IE neither of those 2 tracks will end up with a trance remix), they've been edited (in my mind) for the ecleict-ness.
Shutting down part of something 2 enjoy something else is pointless, it's like listening 2 a bad mixer playing good tracks; why not get some1 2 do the whole thing better. The IDEA is fantastic, and I'd love to hear it done again with amazing, fresh tracks (circa old school sasha) that really catch me (I buy tracks every week I love, it's not like I'm jaded...hell even Slade plays a lot of tracks I like).
--djway |
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| Teknoscaper. |
| quote: | Originally posted by escee
watching cars go by doenst belong on the cd, its annoying.
The Dorset Perception remix sucks.
Of the tunes ive heard previously, i prefer the originals.
The only track i really like is Lostep - Burma.
This a true and jaded post about my thoughts of this cd. |
You're .
Your taste in music sucks.
And you wonder why you never play at my wicked parties?
P.S You're . |
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| matt_a |
You know why this CD rocks, cause it isn't all the same. Wade you said Sasha is just trying to push the eclecticness (if thats a word), but all hes really doing is recreating tracks so that their main elements that he likes can fit into a mix with many other tracks that are totally different.
I don't think he's putting songs on there, that you say shouldn't be on there because they are different, I think he's doing it because he likes them and its the only way to make them fit.
I know if I made a cd, id have different tracks from different styles, and you can't leave them in their original form and make a mix cd with so many different styles sound good in 80 minutes.
Also you say fresh tracks but then put in brackets (old school sasha style). Maybe I'm wrong but that wouldn't really be fresh would it. Just the same old stuff recycled into a new melody under a new name . .. kinda like trance these days.
If you really listen to these tracks you will discover they are totally one of a kind. Some of the basslines, and components are totally different to the usual prog kinda stuff. Even if they are a bit old, which I don't really care anyway, they are original, and they are the kind of tracks people remember because they are different. I know I will remember the names Shpongle, Petter, Ulrich Schnauss, because their tracks stick in your head.
Have you actually read the cards in the case of the CD Wade? If you have not (I'm presuming, being the good boy you are you actually bought it) you should read them, and Sasha says what he is trying to do. He explains because of music downloading many small record companies are going under, and hence there are a lack of fresh sounding tunes, because many of the labels (eg Border Community) release the same sounding tracks. This is the reason he edited them all, and why he thinks that more editing should be done.
Your critisism of his edits/remixes live? I can't see any merit in your statements. If Sasha can remix a song on the spot in 10 minutes, and make it sound awsome . . . doesnt that make him ing good at what he does! Why does taking a few months in a studio using the same software etc, hold any more credibility. Just because you try harder does not mean you will make a better product.
Ironlically Sasha took 8 years to make Airdrawndagger. I thought it was a total waste of money. There are 2 and a half good tracks. Wavy Gravy, Fundamental and Boiler Room. Apart from that the rest are overworked, and sound like crud.
IMO this beats 005 because of it's diversity, because of it's track selection (when i refer to 005, i refer to CD 1 as it is better than cd2), and because it's not something anyone could do. I love 005, but if you gave any self respecting prog dj the same tracks, and a few hours they could make it just as good.
Give any dj the originals of the tracks in Sasha mix and tell them to mix them, I'm sure you'd cause a load of headaches.
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PS. Wade I still love you :tongue2 |
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