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More reasons to not vote Lieberal (pg. 4)
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| starsearcher |
| quote: | Originally posted by malek
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Lol...that was a compliment dood!!!! :haha: |
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| rabbitjoker |
| IMO - The liberals forming a government in conjunction with the NDP would be WORSE than the conservatives holding power. |
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| MarkT |
| quote: | Originally posted by rabbitjoker
IMO - The liberals forming a government in conjunction with the NDP would be WORSE than the conservatives holding power. |
I hope that's more sarcasm...the only thing worse that the Conservatives taking power is swapping leaders with the U.S. :p |
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| arek |
| http://www.albinoblacksheep.com/flash/subliminal.php |
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| Jayx1 |
The nurse speaks first hand about the waste in health care.
If you cant believe he/she who is int he industry, you might as well stop listening to anyone altogether.
The Conservatives are the only party with the balls to even consider looking at how we pay for health care. As it is now, it definately is a money pit. |
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| MarkT |
^^^ that doesn't mean the Conservatives have the best solution.
This site I'm posting isn't pro-Liberal either...I just thought this was another "insightful" quote from Stephen Harper and a glimpse into his hidden agenda:
http://www.healthcoalition.ca/realitycheck2.html
"It does not matter who delivers health care, it matters that everyone can receive it."
-- Stephen Harper (May 10, 2004)
Reality Check: For-profit health care facilities ...
a) have higher death rates than not-for-profit facilities (1,2,3);
b) cost more (4);
c) provide lower quality services(5);
d) engage in schemes to cheat taxpayers (6,7,8);
e) compromise access to public services (9); and
f) provide less nursing care than not-for-profit nursing homes (10).
(footnotes are in the link).
| quote: | Originally posted by EvilDust
You guys have made me so indecisive that I think I'll just flip a coin. |
you go ahead and flip that coin...as long as the Liberals are on one side and the NDP on the other ;) |
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| trancehed99 |
Hi all, I'd have to say that I too am definately now for the conservatives. Liberal used to be good, but unless we have liberal governments like some places in Europe, then the fake liberals over here wont work. A name is a name, as the only thing they are liberl about is spending our very hard earned money on friviouls things.
It is time for a change in direction for the time being, and the conservatives seem to have the right answers for now. See the thing is if we are constantly in a Liberal govt then the good ideas from the conservatives will never get a chance. Other liberal govts in the world could do some great things here, but our liberals have crossed the line way too many times.
a conservative govt in power for the next 4 years may shake some sense back into the liberals and get them on track again instead of complete and ongoing power which allows the corruption to flourish.
Malek: Paul Martin is from quebec. Your loyalty to the liberals only shows one thing, that you want to drift through life without having to do any real work, while the rest of us pay for your roads, healthcare, and fresh air. The conservatives will maintain a perfect healthcare system while ensuring government money isn't being abused by those bastards who take for themselves. Thats the way we save money.
Yes he has some army issues, and some US ideals, but how much could he really accomplish in 4 years. by them another party will be back in and squash any poor decisions by the PC.
Having the conservatives in power will assure that there are checks and balances in place so that the liberals cant continue to steal our money.
LIBERAL LIES AND THEFT STREAK
one misconseption I'd like to address is that the Conservatives brought in the GST while under mulroney.
This is incorrect. GST was being planned by the liberals years before Mulroney got in, and no matter who was going to take office the GST would have come in.
Cretien said he would get rid of the GST and woah that won him alot of votes. did he get rid of it hell no, did he ever intend to? NO
Mcginty said he wouldnt raise provincial taxes. Well in a few days, my paycheque is going to be lower because of that lie.
Paul Martin (HERE IS THE DOOSEY) authorizes MAJOR subsidization to some dinky steamship line in collingwoon ontario. the government pumps billions of dollars into this company.... then what happens????
CSL (Canada Steamship Lines) -- WHICH IS OWNED BY PAUL MARTIN --- CSL purchases this company in collingwood for a song (dirt cheap). Hmmm intersting..
THEN WHAT>????? He registers the company in Liberia so he doesn't have to pay CANADIAN TAXES
is this someone we want in control of our future??? I think NO WAY!!
sorry for any grammer/spelling mistakes i am in a rush
I have hundreds of more examples for why the conservative should have their time to help direct this country the proper way. |
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| trancehed99 |
by the way
all that stuff that Malek said about the conservatives being against equality for women, and workers rights is pure bull.
everyne in western canada is praying for the conservatives to win, they keep wondering why ontario keeps voiting them in.
the only reason quebec wants them in is becasue if the BLOC doesnt get in, well we might as well have easy street in the meantime. With all the corporate corruption in Quebec (graft) linked to the liberals, no wonder they have so much support there...
My heart says liberals
My brain says conservatives |
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| MarkT |
| quote: | Originally posted by trancehed99
by the way
all that stuff that Malek said about the conservatives being against equality for women, and workers rights is pure bull.
everyne in western canada is praying for the conservatives to win, they keep wondering why ontario keeps voiting them in.
the only reason quebec wants them in is becasue if the BLOC doesnt get in, well we might as well have easy street in the meantime. With all the corporate corruption in Quebec (graft) linked to the liberals, no wonder they have so much support there...
My heart says liberals
My brain says conservatives |
how do you figure it's "pure bull" when Harper says he'd allow a free vote on abortion? The Conservatives are the only party who have not taken a firm pro-choice stand and have not stated their full support of gay marriage.
Harper must be caught in a time warp and think it's 10-20 years ago.
Western Canada also supported the redneck Alliance...so sorry if that arguement holds no sway with me. The fact that Stockwell Day was their leader immediately shows me how stupid some people are to have supported that party.
your stereotypes of "lazy Quebecers" is offensive to say the least. It's quite clear why you support the Conservatives with that kind of thinking... |
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| drewfactor |
| quote: | Originally posted by Jayx1
The nurse speaks first hand about the waste in health care.
If you cant believe he/she who is int he industry, you might as well stop listening to anyone altogether.
The Conservatives are the only party with the balls to even consider looking at how we pay for health care. As it is now, it definately is a money pit. |
I'll give you guys a little more on the folly that is "Great Canadian Health Care."
Yesterday I went to the dentist. Before I was employed, I had no dental coverage (my parents had no benefits). If I had no benefits right now, and couldn't afford to get the dental work that I seem to need now, how could I pay for it? If I could not afford to get my cavity filled and it turned into an abscess and I I got so sick from it and went into septic shock and died, how does that exemplify ANY of the principles of the Health Care act?
My Grandmother needed a shoulder replacement done. Now that physio is delisted in Ontario (Thank you Liberals), what if my grandma couldn't afford the PRIVATE physio that she needs to prevent from having a contracted and essentially useless arm?
My dad has to wear glasses so strong that if he didn't have them, he would not be able to work, nor have any quality of life. He pays for them out of his pocket (no benefits).
I could rhyme off many more anecdotes to point out the folly in the Liberal rhetoric on health care. The reality is that most of our health care system already IS private.
Doctors work as if they are in the private sector by billing the gov't for as many customers as they can see or perform procedures on. The Drug companies are all functioning within a free-market.
I'm not advocating an all out privatization, or Americanized version of health care. In fact, the Conservative party has more money allocated from health care in their platform (funding increase). And on top of that, they are pledging a plan for "catastrophic" drug costs. What if you needed essential medication that cost over 1000 dollars a month and you didn't have PRIVATE insurance? You'd be fawked. That's the situation we're in right now.
Many countries in Europe have very successfully incorporated two tier health care into their policy and are currently outperforming Canada in many ways re: universal access, lower waiting times, lower mortality rates etc... Canada ranks 30th according to the world health organization. That is far below many countries that have incorportated moderate reforms which include privatization.
Can you believe it!? In the socialist counrtries of Scandanavia, you can privately purchase an MRI scan.
With regard to waste in health care, don't get me started. The reality is that many hospitals have budget surpluses, yet it does not reach the patients (I blame that on bureaucrats). Harper has said that what we need to do is to assess whether or not the billions upon billions that are thrown into the health care pit actually do something.
Herein lies the great problem. Canada has invested too much pride and national identity in the "Trudeaupian" version of health care. It is the great sacred cow that no one can touch. Nonsense I say. It's 2004, not 1964. The advances and change in health care technology warrant advancement and change in health care policy. |
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| drewfactor |
| quote: | Originally posted by malek
making the health system private will leave people without any coverage at all. You don't have to look very far to see its effects.
South of the border, 30 millions Americans have no coverage whatsoever, thats 10% of the population, its alot of people!
Look at Europe (France for example) and their public health care, its public and one of the best in the world.
A public system can work, don't let yourself be brainwashed by the right wing propaganda. |
France actually has a private health insurance program.http://www.frenchentree.com/fe-health/home.asp |
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| drewfactor |
I wanted to point out another myth. That of American health care. The American model, although it's one that I don't think we should adopt in Canada, is essentially the best in the world. What I mean is, if you want the BEST treatment, the most cutting edge therapy, the most immediate and comprehensive care, you can purchase it in the States. Where do you think Paul Martin is going to go for his health care? Oh wait, he'd jump the cue within our system (another example of equal access in Canada:rolleyes: ).
The problem with the American system is that it is way too expensive and insurance companies are out of control. Also, there is the problem of unequal access.
But the United States has a medicare and medicaid program that is very comprehensive that is offered to poor people who cannot afford their own insurance. The people who truly get stuck out in the cold and go without insurance are those that could afford to purchase it privately, but choose not to because they don't make it a priority. So, those that get private insurance through employers, the poor who can't afford insurance, and those that purchase insurance on their own are provided the health care they need without losing their house or lifesavings etc... |
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