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| kwongandy |
| anyone think this is eerily close to the u.s. elections in 2000? clinton (chretien) goes out of power. by scandal. gore (martin) carries baggage. elects the right. sounds like bush (harper) to me. |
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| k0nk |
| quote: | | everyne in western canada is praying for the conservatives to win |
Erm, no, no we don't.
I have talked to other westerners about it, and most people want to keep conservatives OUT of power. In fact, in my riding, There is only a 15% difference between the first parties poll results, and the 4th parties poll results. |
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| ShadoWolf |
Federal Liberal Government Kleptocracy highlights
(Great moments in arrogant bureaucratic theft and breech of public trust)
* GST promise: Broken 1993 campaign promise to scrap the GST.
* Pearson Airport development fiasco: Cost some $60 million dollars in
penalties.
* Tainted Blood Scandal: $1.02 billion allocated but only $371 mil paid
to Hepatitis-C victims; many have died. Government refuses to help those
infected prior to 1986.
* EH-101 Helicopter Cancellation fiasco in 1993: $500 million penalty to
cancel contract to replace Labradors and Sea Kings. Labs can't "hover in
flight" and Sea Kings require 42 hours of maintenance per hour of
flight. The same Cormorant is now replacing the Labs.
* In 1999 Paul Martin advised that gov't could not give more financial
aid to "unpaid" SAR volunteers because they weren't "paid" volunteers.
* Jane Stewart HRDC grant scandal: $1 billion mismanaged and millions
unaccounted.
* Residential School Abuse Claims: $200 mil spent on admin; $38 mil goes
to victims
* $2.5 billion in pension investment income owed to disabled veterans.
* Jean Chrétien - Shawinigate, highest grant total goodies of 24 cities:
$1.6 bil in federal grants - $615 thousand from BDBC and $1 bil in HRDC
grants for Chrétien's, rocky and weed strewn Grand-Mere Golf Course and
the Auberge Grand-Mere (now burned and owner convicted of fraud). Riding
got $5 mil for the Canadian Institute of Tourism and Electronic Commerce
and $2.5 mil for Groupe Forces. The Auberge des Gouverneurs got $2 mil,
$8 mil was granted to renovate aluminum smelter into art museum and
$200,000 for a 40-jet water fountain. (PM declares: "No violence, no sex
- - No scandal"). Unjustly fired BDBC President, Vennat, who protested
loans, sues for $4.6 mil in damages and is awarded preliminary severance
and pension benefits of $445,000.
* Employment Insurance Fund Rip-off: $44 billion excess contributions
stashed in Reserve Fund contrary to government's own guidelines.
* 7 year failure to collect GST fraud: Over $1 billion lost through
loop-holes.
* Under funded Armed Forces: Billions short. Service personnel only had
Forest Green uniforms for Afghanistan desert wear.
* Election Gag Law: Supreme Court stifles third party advertising.
* Un-tendered Bombardier contract: $101 million to purchase two
Challenger executive jets. Thousands of hours of life remain on the old
aircraft.
* $1.4 billion home heating fuel rebate program: Refunds for excess
heating bills was even mailed to chronic care hospital patients and
prison inmates.
* Paul Martin's "flags of convenience" Canada Steamship Lines: $161
million in federal development money "unknown" to PM. CSL criticized for
its use of off-shore tax havens.
* Gov. Gen. Adrianne Clarkson (and friends): $41 million holiday to
northern Europe.
* PMO's "Secret" Unity Fund: $500 million spent over ten years on
Liberal vote buying.
* $250 million Quebec Sponsorship Fraud: Internal audits in 1999 and
2001 identified abuse. Auditor General's 2003 audit finds non-compliance
of contracting rules reached unprecedented proportions. $100 mil paid to
ad agencies for work of nil or little value. RCMP is found guilty of
"diddling the books" via a hidden bank account used to buy horses and
trailers. Martin finally says, "I accept responsibility." Some credit
for "blowing" sponsorgate goes to the Bloc's persistent 441 questions in
the H of C.
* Chrétien insiders Gagliano, LeFrancois, Ouellet and Pelletier are
fingered: Brault, Coffin and Guite' charged and arrested by RCMP.
Parliamentary Inquiry shut down.
* $10 million Adscam gravy train rolls on: Damage suits by Gagliano
($4.5 mil), LeFrancois ($2.7 mil) and Pelletier ($3 mil).
* $1.9 million spent on severance payments and separation allowances for
departing Chrétienite PMO staffers to make room for incoming Martinits.
* Owner licensing and firearms registration Boondoggle: $2 million net
cost promised in 1995; over $1 billion spent by mid 2004. Expenditures
also hidden in other department budgets. Minister McLellan ignores
pre-election review. Government announces it will eliminate registration
and transfer fees and limit spending to $25 million per year.
* Gov't funds the Coalition for Gun Control to lobby the gov't for
stricter gun laws - while it refused to meet, and then shut down its
first MUGF. Gov't sets up new, "CFC - Justice Dept. friendly" Minister's
User Group on Firearms.
* 71.6 per cent of Canadians in April 2004 JMCK poll want long gun
registry scrapped.
* Department of Defense Fraud: DND had $366 million
Compaq-Hewlett-Packard computer maintenance contract. $159 million
unaccounted.
* $36 million "Great Bum Wad" fiasco: Gov't buys Weston plant eyesore
across from Parliament Bldgs - for site of future park - and then leases
it back to owner for 25 years.
* $2.3 million Bluenose grant: $1.9 million has been siphoned off by an
ad agency.
* Untold billions stashed in "private" gov't foundations - hidden from
public scrutiny and beyond the reach of the Auditor General and Privacy
Commissioner.
* $6.5 billion spent annually on outside consultants - to buy "advice"
largely available from within the public service.
* Ottawa's $5.5 million contract with Prairie Plant Systems produces
"medical marijuana" for registered users - costing over $15,000 per
ounce. It has a THC content so low - it has few therapeutic benefits.
"Triple A" street cannabis sells for under $200 per oz. [Cannabis
bureaucrats take cue from gun registry instead of Molson's (Barrie) Gold].
* $3 billion offered on eve of election for health care after years of
cuts in transfer payments: In a breaking news story, a Canadian
Institute for Health Information (CIHI) study reports 185,000 "adverse
events" and 7,000, to 24,000 patient "medical misadventures" yearly.
7.5% of 2.5 million admissions are at risk; only 37% are preventable.
One in nine patients experience medication errors. Scary odds!!!
* Stats Can survey just released finds 3.6 mil Canadians lack a family
doctor. One quarter of Quebecers have no primary care physician: 2,500
new med grads are needed yearly; only 2,200 are being trained.
AB and BC recruiting from other provinces.
* CMA-McMaster study finds for-profit health care 19% more costly: P-3
cautionary alert to all politicians - higher death rates also found in
preceding study.
* $35 billion total Liberal campaign goodies: To $8 bil in CTF
pre-campaign goodies, add $11 bil in increased health care spending
announced on May 25th - after Martin chopped $25 bil since 1995, plus
the June 3rd $16 bil child care, military upgrades, helicopters, wind
power announcements.
* Final insult: $57.6 million dollar bill for unnecessary 2004 federal
election due to changes to the Election Act requiring the direct funding
of political parties is noted by the Can. Taxpayers Federation. Double
the $23.9 mil cost of 2000. |
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| trancehed99 |
| quote: | Originally posted by MarkT
how do you figure it's "pure bull" when Harper says he'd allow a free vote on abortion? The Conservatives are the only party who have not taken a firm pro-choice stand and have not stated their full support of gay marriage.
Harper must be caught in a time warp and think it's 10-20 years ago.
Western Canada also supported the redneck Alliance...so sorry if that arguement holds no sway with me. The fact that Stockwell Day was their leader immediately shows me how stupid some people are to have supported that party.
your stereotypes of "lazy Quebecers" is offensive to say the least. It's quite clear why you support the Conservatives with that kind of thinking... |
Well were not even talking about the same topic here Im saying women equality, and workers rights, and you are saying abortion and gay marriage. How is that related Mark??
regardless...
You say “Harper says he'd allow a free vote on abortion?” I dont see how thats a problem. He will allow a free vote, well thats a good things isn't it? Pro choic and gay marraitge there are 3 stances on that FOR – AGAINST – and DONT CARE. Personally I am FOR pro choice, and I DONT CARE about gay marriages. If they wanna get married go ahead, I don't support it as I don't oppose it. That is pertty much Harpers view as well, because a bunch of gays wanting to marry is not even close to the middle of the priority list. Maybe it is for you because you don't have a sense of identity without a 4 inch in your ass, but hey thats your preference, and none of my business.
“Western Canada also supported the redneck Alliance...so sorry if that arguement holds no sway with me. The fact that Stockwell Day was their leader immediately shows me how stupid some people are to have supported that party.”
uhh the alliance is actually the furthest from redneck as they want to increase security for the first nations people, they support the views of the people in western canada. Get your facts straight. Regardless it doesnt matter if it holds any sway with you and/or only you.
“your stereotypes of "lazy Quebecers" is offensive to say the least. It's quite clear why you support the Conservatives with that kind of thinking...”
I was saying Malek was lazy not Quebecers – thanks |
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| trancehed99 |
put it this way though, the Liberals WILL win it again this time. But the conservatives are closer than ever before because the people of Canada are finally seeing what the liberals are all about.
4 years ago during this time of the last election, there I was worried the Liberals were not going to get in because the PC was neck and neck in the preview polls, but what happened? The Liberals won by a landslide.
Its the Canadian people saying they want the Liberals to straighten up or they will vote the conservatives in.
now this time around I think the PC would be better for us for now. Just my point of view, and I am very political. You cant always have one party running the show, reasons as i said before.
I'd totally go GREEN PARTY, except I don't think they have what it takes to run a Trillion dollar business. |
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| StereoPrincess |
Greenpeace says vote for NDP
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| j_spot |
| quote: | Originally posted by trancehed99
by the way
all that stuff that Malek said about the conservatives being against equality for women, and workers rights is pure bull.
everyne in western canada is praying for the conservatives to win, they keep wondering why ontario keeps voiting them in.
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wrong on both counts.
the 1st one is more interpretation, because no conservative(website, members, Harper) is being clear with what their plans ar for the Canada Health Act, what they plan to do with hate crime laws, womens right to chose etc. They just arent being honest.
As for #2..aww no. I dont know a single person who is voting conservative. No doubt they will get elected in 90% of the seats in alberta, but the youth is definetly against them.
I am in Calgary South, which is Harpers riding. I am changing my vote from NDP to Liberal, becuase I will do anything within my power to keep that redneck SOB out of 24 sussex. Its hard to see it, but once you know a few people like harper, and see how we hide our racist, ass backwards views on your woman, her lack of rights, and why the hell would she ever leave the kitchen type attitudes (which really, I dont expect anybody outside of Alberta or Sask to see, or even know what Im talking about) then you see right thru Harper. I do. He scares me.
Sadly, they see thru him, and like the hidden agenda more than what he is proposing.
and since Shadow wolf seems to concentrate on the liberal scandals, lets not forget what the conservatives did last time around. Airbus, that with golf courses that had mulroney under investigation for 10 years that got settled 2 or 3 years back, GST. That seems just as bad to me.
many of those he mentioned are the liberals dealing with things outside of their mandate, or control.ie the residential schools, hep c, aww , arguing with somebody as pig headed as him is useless.
Also, Reform was the best Right that we had in recent years. Preston was a very religious man (like Chretien) but his religion and political aspirations did not conflict or disrupt each other. Day and Harper(still both religious) did not achieve this succes of keeping thier religion on the sidelines. i  Preston |
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| trancehed99 |
I love preston too actually - he was good.
all politicians are scum, but atleast harper is the lesser of 2 evils, as martin has already proven to be un trustworthy.
harper cant to any damage in 4 years, cause as soon as he tries he's gone.
like i said before tho Liberals will win again anyway, but the PC supporters are getting heard.
I wish the reform party was still around. they were supposed to take over the PC, then this alliance thing came in and now both have been taken over by PC, so its def weird, but whatever
I'm like you but the other way around, I will do anyhting not to have the Libs in. I am sick of them now - change is good. NDP do sound good tho. you should really vote NDP because though they may not get in now, the support you give now, will show in the future. |
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| discojoe |
| im getting sick of these posts. nothings going to change kid. dont get so worked up.. you're a fool if you think the conservatives will have less problems. Goverments up.. its a fact of life get over it. dont waste your time voting |
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| ShadoWolf |
| quote: | Originally posted by StereoPrincess
Greenpeace says vote for NDP
LINK |
Green Party > NDP |
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| drewfactor |
| quote: | Originally posted by ShadoWolf
Green Party > NDP |
I agree. In fact, the green party offers more fresh ideas than any other party IMO. If I didn't want the Liberals out so badly, I'd vote for them. They offer some fiscally conservative ideas combined with some more socially progressive ideas as well. |
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| ShadoWolf |
| quote: | Originally posted by drewfactor
I agree. In fact, the green party offers more fresh ideas than any other party IMO. If I didn't want the Liberals out so badly, I'd vote for them. They offer some fiscally conservative ideas combined with some more socially progressive ideas as well. |
It's the party the NDP SHOULD be.
The Lieberal Party is the party of corruption. It's very similar to the Tammany Hall system in New YOrk City in the 19th century.
Lieberal Party = Mafia Party |
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