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| MarkT |
| quote: | Originally posted by ShadoWolf
Congratulations Canada on rewarding a bunch of theives and crooks.
I will not be celebrating Canada Day this year.
Anyway, the country won't be around in 2006. That's the year Quebec AND Alberta will secede. |
awwww, you've been reduced to pouting?
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| drewfactor |
| quote: | Originally posted by DJ_Elyot
Did she win her riding? I thought she lost to the liberals... maybe I'm wrong. |
she won
she's actually quite liberal on a lot of social issues
I bet she joins the liberals eventually
The other thing is that if the conservatives ever hope to gain a majority government in Canada, it will have to be people like Belinda Stronach who have to lead. The bottom line is that people in Canada (about 70% of the total that voted the other day), vote for left of centre parties. Those of us on the right just have to accept it. Or we can move to Alberta or the States. |
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| Jayx1 |
Are you kidding me? Belinda Stronach is an airhead idiot who is only there because of daddy's money. I saw her debate in my riding and trust me when i say i voted for the party and not the local candidate. Belinda should NOT be in politics.
Everytime someone asked her something in the local debate her answer was "ill have to get back to you on that"
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| Jayx1 |
| quote: | Originally posted by Matt
yes damn Canadians, how dare they vote in a government that YOU don't want. |
Well in actual fact most of Canada didnt want the Liberals. Quebec voted Bloc, and the West all voted Conservative. It was Ontario and the Maritimes that voted Liberal and even their margins were slim. Put it this way, the rest of the country can vote whatever it wants but if every seat in Ontario goes to the opposite party, that party wins. This is what the rest of the country is so pissed off about. |
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| drewfactor |
| quote: | Originally posted by Jayx1
Are you kidding me? Belinda Stronach is an airhead idiot who is only there because of daddy's money. I saw her debate in my riding and trust me when i say i voted for the party and not the local candidate. Belinda should NOT be in politics.
Everytime someone asked her something in the local debate her answer was "ill have to get back to you on that"
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Let me clarify.
I PERSONALLY don't think that Belinda was the most appropriate candidate as leader for the Conservatives. However, in the political cultural climate that we live in, any candidate that leans to the right cannot make any hint of social conservatism. If they do, as some conservative candidates or mps have done, it is basically political suicide. Think about it. As soon as someone says that they believe in family values (meaning a monogamous heterosexual relationship with children), the liberal and left wing establishment (along with their mouth pieces like the CBC and the Star) engage in a campaign to demonize these politicians for having a position on this issue. Hence the political success of the Liberal party, they don't even tread that water. All they need to do is to say "Universal Health Care!" "No star wars weapons program." And the people buy it. What neat little sound bites did the conservatives have to offer?
Here's an example: My girlfriend is a total liberal. She said she would never vote Conservative, unless Belinda was their leader. WHy?? Because she wants to see a female PM (I know, such a quaintly liberal ideal). Also, she likes the fact that she is not a social conservative. However, I think this is interesting considering that deep down, my girlfriend is a social conservative (why else would she have her mind set on getting married and having kids and won't let me have multiple girlfriends etc...). Once again this goes to show the intellectual dishonesty of the liberal mindset. |
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| Jayx1 |
Well then id say clearly the problem is with the biased Media and the Liberals (what ive said all along) and not the Conservatives.
Id like to see for once a fair election without media slant and BS and just base it on the facts. The Conservatives biggest mistake was being honest and not throwing mud. At least when the conservatives made accusations they were based on FACT.
Oh well, i guess we will now never know what really went on in AdScam. I have a feeling this investigation will end faster than you can say Somalia. |
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| drewfactor |
| quote: | Originally posted by Jayx1
Well then id say clearly the problem is with the biased Media and the Liberals (what ive said all along) and not the Conservatives.
Id like to see for once a fair election without media slant and BS and just base it on the facts. The Conservatives biggest mistake was being honest and not throwing mud. At least when the conservatives made accusations they were based on FACT.
Oh well, i guess we will now never know what really went on in AdScam. I have a feeling this investigation will end faster than you can say Somalia. |
You're probably right.
Think about it. The governing party in this country squanders Billions of OUR money, our tax dollars, our hard earned income. You can debate how many billions, nonetheless it was billions.
Stephen Harper comes along and says, "hey folks, how about you keep more of your own money and stop handing it over to faceless bureaucrats with wreckless spending habits." And what was it all worth for Harper? Pissing in the wind. The conservatives gained less of the popular vote than was split between the divided conservative parties. |
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| Jayx1 |
| Whether it's politics your job or even dating, our society says it wants honesty but in reality we love all the smoke and mirrors. People really dont like to hear the truth. |
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| Tudo Beleza |
| quote: | Originally posted by ShadoWolf
Congratulations Canada on rewarding a bunch of theives and crooks.
I will not be celebrating Canada Day this year.
Anyway, the country won't be around in 2006. That's the year Quebec AND Alberta will secede. |
please don't say what you think Alberta will do. As an albertan it will be along time before i would secede from this country, and that is a common opinon in Alberta. Only a few nuts think that thought. |
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| crazedcanuck |
Bottom line is Western Conservatism is no where near Eastern/Progressive Conservatism. Out west the politicians (not necessarily the electorate) are too old fashioned and out of touch socially. One of the few that was, Preston Manning, was unfairly demonized and tossed out by the new Conservatives in the rush to ditch the Reform label that Preston built which essentially saved the right in Canada.
I'm very open minded, and socially minded, however when it comes to justice and finances and the military I'm fairly conservative minded.
Perhaps one day the tags will be thrown out and labels be damned, policiticians will simply attack our problems and formulate logical solutions instead of ho and hum and posture on issues. |
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| MarkT |
| quote: | Originally posted by Jayx1
Whether it's politics your job or even dating, our society says it wants honesty but in reality we love all the smoke and mirrors. People really dont like to hear the truth. |
some people do...it was *hillarious* to hear and read comments from people after the election. I read and heard several cases where people who were polled said they would support the Conservatives, only to vote NDP or Liberal in the election. They said that once Harper gained some confidence and hope of winning, his "true colours" came out, like his arrogance in predicting a majority gov't...they saw them, didn't like them, and voted Liberal or NDP after all.
I think the Conservatives first mistake was letter Harper lead...Stronach was a joke...but I honestly think that, despite the hoopla surrounding the Alliance/Tory merger, Mackay would have been a better choice for them.
btw...did you go through each result in Ontario? You can online. The margins were far from slim in a great # of areas where the Liberals won. |
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| drewfactor |
| quote: | Originally posted by MarkT
some people do...it was *hillarious* to hear and read comments from people after the election. I read and heard several cases where people who were polled said they would support the Conservatives, only to vote NDP or Liberal in the election. They said that once Harper gained some confidence and hope of winning, his "true colours" came out, like his arrogance in predicting a majority gov't...they saw them, didn't like them, and voted Liberal or NDP after all.
I think the Conservatives first mistake was letter Harper lead...Stronach was a joke...but I honestly think that, despite the hoopla surrounding the Alliance/Tory merger, Mackay would have been a better choice for them.
btw...did you go through each result in Ontario? You can online. The margins were far from slim in a great # of areas where the Liberals won. |
Perhaps you're right about McKay, after all, it would have helped the conservatives shed their Western Canada Reform/Alliance image that seemed to scare alot of people. He's also articulate and young, which also might attract people.
I find it hard to imagine the Conservatives being considered arrogant. After all, it's the liberal arrogance that surrounds everything from the scams to the rhetoric of the liberal party. Even Paul Martin's comment that "this is between two parties" that offended even the NDP. It was the liberal arrogance that allows them to mistake Vimy ridge for Vichy, and our own PM mistaking Norway for Normandy (I think the veterans of our 2 world wars deserve an apology for those ones).
I also would like to take this opportunity to illustrate something called "leftist hate." Mark, I notice the phrase under your name is "Harper Hater." I think this perfectly personifies a leftist attitude and marks the contrast between conservatives and leftists. I may not care much for Paul Martin's or Jack Layton's politics, but I don't hate them. How many leftists say things or identify with statements like "Bush Hater" or "Harper is a Nazi?" Even Liberal MP Carolyn Parrish said "damn Americans, I hate those bastards." Ultiamtely, this sort of sentiment is pervasive amongst leftist/liberal/progressive types and it accomplishes nothing exept illustrate their moral and intellectual bankruptsy.
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