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Dinosaur paintings - proof man and dinosaur existed together (pg. 6)
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| MisterOpus1 |
| quote: | Originally posted by Seventil
So, if you guys could: If a flood did happen, and what I believe is true - how would that effect current scientific dating methods? |
The problem you seem to be having is failing to understand what scientific evidence has shown us to this point.
If there was, indeed, a flood of sorts in accordance to Biblical proportions, and if you would expect it to be held to scientific standards, then it would no doubt reveal itself through scientific data collection and observation.
This has not happened.
I have found in my own personal viewpoint that certain beliefs are best left out of science, esp. if those beliefs pertain to supernatural phenomena. I hope you might feel the same way someday. |
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| Seventil |
| quote: | Originally posted by MisterOpus1
Why should I believe a baseless claim?
Is it any better for me to tell you that I believe in the Great Cookie Monster from the Planet "Zoinks"? Wouldn't you want to know a little more about that belief with some evidence to support it?
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I find the lack of hard evidence for religion heartening, actually (call it uttery perversion if you will...) ;) -- If there was hard, provable existance of God - would we be followers or robots? If it required no faith, no choice - what would that accomplish? God created thinking, sentient beings, that can choose whether to believe in him or not - it's our inherent right.
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I must tell you though, I do have followers, so be careful what you say. They may not take too kindly to your blasphemy, should you undermine our beliefs.
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:wtf: That's hot!
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To look at science outside of supporting evidence is nothing shy of utter perversion. |
Strong words.
Christianity, if false, is of no importance, and if true, of infinite importance. The only thing it cannot be is moderately important.
-C.S. Lewis
If the whole universe has no meaning, we should never have found out that it has no meaning: just as, if there were no light in the universe and therefore no creatures with eyes, we should never know it was dark. Dark would be without meaning.
-C.S. Lewis |
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| Seventil |
| quote: | Originally posted by MisterOpus1
The problem you seem to be having is failing to understand what scientific evidence has shown us to this point.
If there was, indeed, a flood of sorts in accordance to Biblical proportions, and if you would expect it to be held to scientific standards, then it would no doubt reveal itself through scientific data collection and observation.
This has not happened.
I have found in my own personal viewpoint that certain beliefs are best left out of science, esp. if those beliefs pertain to supernatural phenomena. I hope you might feel the same way someday. |
I tried to do the same thing. I majored in astrophysics out of high school, but I lost interest after the first year. I used to be a hardcore evolutionist/atheist.
Part of me wishes there was real scientific evidence for God - perhaps people would look at it seriously (I think its becoming more and more of a "joke" to America - call it "old-fashioned" or whatever) - and I dream of a world where science is the pursuit of truth and isn't biased one way or the other. I know that can't really happen.
My love for astronomy is what original turned me to a person of faith - I couldn't honestly look up at the heavens and think it was all an accident - I knew I was looking at a canvas, and I wanted to know who painted it.
That's me though. I respect everyone's thoughts and such here - thanks for making me smarter on the subject. I'll try and refute some of the earlier dating-method stuff, but its honestly not my best subject. ;) |
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| MisterOpus1 |
| quote: | Originally posted by Seventil
I tried to do the same thing. I majored in astrophysics out of high school, but I lost interest after the first year. I used to be a hardcore evolutionist/atheist.
Part of me wishes there was real scientific evidence for God - perhaps people would look at it seriously (I think its becoming more and more of a "joke" to America - call it "old-fashioned" or whatever) - and I dream of a world where science is the pursuit of truth and isn't biased one way or the other. I know that can't really happen.
My love for astronomy is what original turned me to a person of faith - I couldn't honestly look up at the heavens and think it was all an accident - I knew I was looking at a canvas, and I wanted to know who painted it. |
I understand your view, I tend to take a different standpoint with the same observation:
Rather than us being an "accident", I find it absolutely astounding, that we are here today, attempting to comprehend our place in the universe and our sense of being. If, indeed, God played a hand in all of this, and my personal deist belief tends to hold this notion, then He truly is an amazing Being indeed.
Do I have evidence of his presence or starting point? Nope, nor do I require it. Thus is the difference, as you alluded to earlier, between faith and science.
The problem I have, and the problem I will continue to have, are individuals who knowingly or unknowingly tend to intermingle the two.
| quote: | | That's me though. I respect everyone's thoughts and such here - thanks for making me smarter on the subject. I'll try and refute some of the earlier dating-method stuff, but its honestly not my best subject. ;) |
And I honestly respect your thoughts as well. But as I said, faith and science should never intermingle with one another. |
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| MrSquirrel |
Well old men...it appears that at least now you have a plaything that can spell and communicate in more than just levels of "I am right, I win lots of debate contests in the homeschool debate competitions". :toothless
Enjoy your fun.
MrS |
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| DJ Rat 187 |
| who gives a :rolleyes: |
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| MisterOpus1 |
| quote: | Originally posted by DJ Rat 187
who gives a :rolleyes: |
Obviously, some people do.
Why bother coming here and asking such a mindless question when it's quite apparent that some individuals here actually do "give a "? |
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| Dj_Irish |
| quote: | Originally posted by MrSquirrel
Well old men...it appears that at least now you have a plaything that can spell and communicate in more than just levels of "I am right, I win lots of debate contests in the homeschool debate competitions". :toothless
Enjoy your fun.
MrS |
Hehe, indeed. Most enjoyable :) |
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| Wurm |
What about the NOMA (Non-Overlapping Magisteria) principle?
or as Judge Snyder put it: "Religion is not to come within 100 yards of sciences at any time." |
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| ::TranceVanDyk:: |
| quote: | Originally posted by Arbiter
Are paintings of unicorns proof that they existed together?
Well, then why should paintings of humans and what appear to be large reptiles be proof that they existed together? |
why would neanderthals make up mythical creatures..
and who are the knights fighting when they talk about dragons in their legends. did they make up those creatures too? and the chinese dragon. and the native american legends of the giant birds. and in the bible, the book of Job talks about a huge "behemoth" with a tail the size of a cedar tree, which back in those days was a huge tree that grew in lebanon, which is also on the lebanese national flag. |
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| Arbiter |
| quote: | Originally posted by ::TranceVanDyk::
why would neanderthals make up mythical creatures..
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Either the creatures were distortions of existing creatures, e.g. the proverbial fish that gets bigger every time you tell the story, or they were invented to explain things which the people of the time couldn't understand (the same reason humans made up God).
It's also possible they were merely for storytelling/entertainment purposes. Similar phenomena can be observed on an almost-daily basis among modern humans. Of curse, it's possible that somehow they existed contemporaneously with human beings and simply left no trace whatsoever. However, with plenty of other reasonable explanations, I see no reason to start dabbling in absurd ones. |
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| Yoepus |
| gees guys I can't believe you turned a merimaid thread into this:mad: |
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