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WTF-God help us all, Bush and cohorts are madmen. (pg. 4)
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| occrider |
| I actually think it's a good thing to delay the election. I can only imagine that a terrorist attack would draw more support to Bush who has historically beaten Kerry in the polls when it comes to defending the States against terrorism (whilst it's true that they are currentely neck and neck when it comes to terrorism in the latest polls, I firmly believe that when confronted in an attack Kerry's wishy washiness and lack of a plan would be extremely detrimental). I mean really ... didn't conspiracy theorists believe that the US would ALLOW a terrorist attack to happen right before the election in order to rally support behind the president? Once again I'm confused ... present your conspiracy theory but at least stick to your premise. |
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| Q5echo |
voice of reason. ^ it's like an ice cold coke.
real terrorists love this BTW |
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| speedracer_mec |
quite honestly
I really dont see Bush winning this election
Kerry is the puppet..he will be thrown into office because of the hate towards bush.
Kerry doesnt stand for anything and has done little to change that.
Unless Bush drops Cheney and picks up McCain(popular figure>Cheney)
This elections is pretty much over
Im a die hard republican
However the polls today switched over to the kerry ticket pulling a 4%lead.
Its a slide....Bush Campaign is sliding down the slope towards November. They need to change that iraq dilemma....and they need to change it fast.
What is happening is basically people will check off kerry without knowing who the man is......SADLY> |
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| nic01445 |
| quote: | Originally posted by speedracer_mec
What is happening is basically people will check off kerry without knowing who the man is......SADLY> |
It is pretty sad how often times voters have absolutely no knowledge of the canidates they vote for. Party loyalty (especially here in Texas) is just ridiculous. |
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| trancaholic |
| quote: | Originally posted by Ang ' ela_ie
"'They [al Quaeda] want to interfere with the elections,'" says one official."
Im sorry, but maybe Im reading into this wrong. Why the HELL would al Quaeda want to interfere with President Bush not being reelected? Am I missing something? Do they not hate him as much if not more as the most intense left-wingers in this country?
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I think that they hate him alright, but Al Quada really doesn't seem to be intent on ending the "war on terror". As long as the chimp rules the White House and keeps supporting Israel/attacking muslim countries with a passion, Al Quada will have a lot of support. |
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| ResonantDrag |
| quote: | Originally posted by speedracer_mec
What is happening is basically people will check off kerry without knowing who the man is......SADLY> |
maybe that number will begin to offset the mindless drones who pick bush because the honorable Rev. Falwell supports him:rolleyes: |
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| MisterOpus1 |
| quote: | Originally posted by speedracer_mec
quite honestly
I really dont see Bush winning this election
Kerry is the puppet..he will be thrown into office because of the hate towards bush.
Kerry doesnt stand for anything and has done little to change that.
Unless Bush drops Cheney and picks up McCain(popular figure>Cheney)
This elections is pretty much over
Im a die hard republican
However the polls today switched over to the kerry ticket pulling a 4%lead.
Its a slide....Bush Campaign is sliding down the slope towards November. They need to change that iraq dilemma....and they need to change it fast.
What is happening is basically people will check off kerry without knowing who the man is......SADLY> |
I really wouldn't be so sure about Bush/Cheney. Of course I agree that Cheney is a liability at this point, and he is certainly hurting Bush's numbers, but the fact is Cheney is the brains behind many of Bush's decisions, and he is the leader of the primary influential group of neoconservatives. Bush doesn't merely talk about keeping Cheney because of his loyalty towards Cheney, rather, Cheney is absolutely vital towards a great many of Bush's critical decisions. It is difficult for me to escape the image of a corporate board room with the CEO portrayed as Bush and his right hand man ultimately stearing the agenda and giving the ultimate last word before Bush speaks next to him (Cheney). In fact, I believe this is exactly how Bush wanted to run the White House, for better or worse.
OK, I'm digressing, sorry.
My point is these numbers right now don't mean jack . The only numbers you need to pay attention to are the last 3-4 weeks prior to the election - this is the time when the people finally stand firm with their decisions, and thus really become more statistically significant. Up until that point it's just posturing and propaganda. |
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| Ang ' ela_ie |
| quote: | Originally posted by MisterOpus1
I really wouldn't be so sure about Bush/Cheney. Of course I agree that Cheney is a liability at this point, and he is certainly hurting Bush's numbers, but the fact is Cheney is the brains behind many of Bush's decisions, and he is the leader of the primary influential group of neoconservatives. Bush doesn't merely talk about keeping Cheney because of his loyalty towards Cheney, rather, Cheney is absolutely vital towards a great many of Bush's critical decisions. It is difficult for me to escape the image of a corporate board room with the CEO portrayed as Bush and his right hand man ultimately stearing the agenda and giving the ultimate last word before Bush speaks next to him (Cheney). In fact, I believe this is exactly how Bush wanted to run the White House, for better or worse.
OK, I'm digressing, sorry.
My point is these numbers right now don't mean jack . The only numbers you need to pay attention to are the last 3-4 weeks prior to the election - this is the time when the people finally stand firm with their decisions, and thus really become more statistically significant. Up until that point it's just posturing and propaganda. |
I agree completely with you on the Cheney bit, he's controlling the administration. They're all nuts. |
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| DaveSZ |
http://www.aclu.org/NationalSecurit...alSecurity.c...
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Oppose Expansion of the Death Penalty under the PATRIOT Act
Despite being stymied in its efforts to push a successor to the controversial USA Patriot Act through Congress, the Bush Administration is urging the U.S. House to pass a piece of this legislation that would dramatically expand the federal death penalty, including expansion based on the PATRIOT Act's infamous "domestic terrorism" provisions.
Due to the groundswell of opposition against the PATRIOT Act, President Bush and Attorney General Ashcroft have been unable to introduce its sequel -- "PATRIOT Act II" -- as a single package. Instead, they are trying to escape public notice by passing it in pieces. One of these pieces, the "Terrorist Penalties Enhancement Act of 2003" (HR 2934) would be an unprecedented expansion of the federal death penalty.
The proposed legislation would establish 23 separate new death penalties in one stroke and would also create an unprecedented “catch-all” death penalty for any crime that meets the PATRIOT Act’s overbroad definition of terrorism.
This bill would hurt the war on terror by reducing the cooperation that foreign governments would be willing to provide. This lost cooperation would include critical information and the ability to extradite suspected terrorists.
Take Action! Urge your Representative to oppose this unnecessary and unwise expansion of the death penalty.
This legislation would not deter terrorists. This legislation will almost certainly have no deterrent effect on suicidal, politically motivated terrorists such as members of Al Qaeda. Not only do these terrorists seek death in their actions, well-publicized executions are far more likely to create a perverse incentive by giving terrorist organizations the gift of publicity – often the most important tactical goal of any terrorist action.
Expansion of the death penalty under the vaguely worded “terrorism” definition of the PATRIOT Act would chill protests. Protestors and activists from Greenpeace to Operation Rescue would risk being sentenced to death and executed for participating in civil disobedience events that are now defined as “terrorism” under the PATRIOT Act, if they resulted in a death of one of the participants or someone else.
This bill would actually hurt the war on terror. Many nations in Europe and elsewhere that have abolished the death penalty are unwilling to extradite or provide evidence in federal terrorism cases if the death penalty might result from their cooperation. This bill would further limit their cooperation and participation. |
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| DrUg_Tit0 |
| quote: | Originally posted by anuneventrade
The sad thing is, nobody will really care. I've encountered so many people saying that they are going to vote Rep/Dem simply because it's what they've always done. They'll listen to the conspiracies, the scandals, the lies, and it won't even register into their heads. They vote without knowing the facts, or the issues. Polls mean nothing to them, campaigning, nothing.
For example, before Clark and Edwards withdrew from the race, I made a speech to one of the classes that I was in about the upcoming election, pointing out the positives and the negatives from each persons campaign. Not a single member in the class had any sort of questions, nor did they care. Later on, a few students told me I was wasting their time, because they're going to vote for whichever side their family is on. My Professor sadly told me that although my intentions were good, they were on deaf ears.
Another example. Take into account how many users we have on TA. How many of those users post regularly in this forum? Not many. We all know each other, and we all know each others opinions and views. I've held numerous jobs throughout the past year, and I tried speaking to co-workers as well. They just weren't listening. They either hated Bush, and would vote for anyone other than Bush, or they said "Well, Bush is an alright guy, nothings gone too haywire in my eyes... I suppose I'll just vote for him".
I know that this isn't the mindset of every American, but I think most of you will agree that it is most of them. Whichever news station they watch reflects who they vote for. |
It's pretty much the same situation here. Most of the voters who vote for social democrats do so because they remember how they had good wages during Yugoslavia. Most of those who vote for HDZ do so because they had some relation to nazis back in WW2 and think that social democrats will send them to prisons. Funny but true. Personally, I think that there should be some sort of an obligatory test taken prior to the elections, where people should answer basic questions about political parties, and if they fail the test, they shouldn't be allowed to vote. |
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| 00soups00 |
| quote: | Originally posted by Q5echo
be thankfull that there are people in this country paid to think of like this (laws and plans) to protect the process. noone is saying that this is supposed to keep Bush in office for a couple months more, but plans must be entertained for contingencies. |
the only thing i am thankful for is the fact that i dont have bush and his staff running my country (hmm. wait a second, maybe they are in their own way).
but seriously, after seeing Fahrenheit 911 and then hearing things like this as a follow up, thhese conspiracy theories really don't seem that far off, or that mad. |
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| 00soups00 |
| quote: | Originally posted by NYCTrancefan
I sometimes ask myself how did George W. Bush become President of these United States of America, :conf: |
wasn't it because he rigged the Election? Namely the Florida vote?? |
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