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Verdict is in... Smoking law hurting clubs (pg. 4)
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| DarkWater |
| quote: | Originally posted by LiANG
deal with it. There's no smoking in the clubs.
I love it. :D |
You sound like a prohibitionist circa 1920. |
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| DigiNut |
Nobody is forcing you to go to a smokey club, nobody is forcing you to work there, nobody is forcing you to go to the Guv, nobody was forcing you to accept that drink with rufies in it.
Come on guys, the "nobody is forcing you" argument is getting a little old and tired. I think we all know that that's not the point - people will do it, whether they're forced to or not, for various reasons, without realizing what the negative consequences can be. We are protecting those people, plain and simple. Drunks don't really affect anyone as long as the club security checks for weapons and breaks up any fistfights.
As for the princess suggesting oxygen masks - I think you need to get yourself an oxygen mask because your brain clearly isn't getting enough air. Get a clue! THINK about what you're saying! You want to tell ordinary people to wear lung protection but let the people dirtying the air (smokers) do what they please? Does that make ANY sense!? |
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| DarkWater |
| quote: | Originally posted by DigiNut
people will do it, whether they're forced to or not, for various reasons, without realizing what the negative consequences can be. We are protecting those people, plain and simple. |
So we're protecting the ignorant instead of educating them? Why don't we just make them read about the risks of second hand smoke before they go in?
| quote: | | You want to tell ordinary people to wear lung protection but let the people dirtying the air (smokers) do what they please? Does that make ANY sense!?[/COLOR][/FONT] |
I don't want to tell people to do anything. The employees can wear the masks if they care about their health, if they don't wear the masks they can sign a waiver saying they understand the risks (similar to the warning on a cig pack). Many professions require that you wear a mask, I don't see those people complaining.
It's just an idea Aaron, obviously it probably wont happen...calm down. |
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| Jayx1 |
| nobody is forcing you is a great arguement because it means you actually have a choice. The government is taking away that choice. |
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| tw1tch |
| quote: | Originally posted by Jayx1
nobody is forcing you is a great arguement because it means you actually have a choice. The government is taking away that choice. |
Are you against wearing seat belts? Why is that a law, if I choose not to wear one, who are they to tell me? |
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| Jayx1 |
| As a matter of fact I am against compulsory seat belt use for those over 18. Of course i'll always use one but the simple fact remains that if you are stupid enough not to wear one its your own damned problem. Seat belt laws are not about safety in the governments eyes, its about fines and revenue. Same with most ridiculous artificially low speed limits on many major roads that even the government's own engineers say are too low. |
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| DarkWater |
| quote: | Originally posted by tw1tch
Are you against wearing seat belts? Why is that a law, if I choose not to wear one, who are they to tell me? |
Okay, but you can buy cigs. So it's legal to smoke but it isn't legal to have a smoking only club? If everyone in there smokes, does it matter that they are second hand smoking as well? |
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| tw1tch |
| quote: | Originally posted by DarkWater
Okay, but you can buy cigs. So it's legal to smoke but it isn't legal to have a smoking only club? If everyone in there smokes, does it matter that they are second hand smoking as well? |
Don't know where you're going, I'm talking about the government restricting our choices. |
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| Jayx1 |
| one more additional comment. We are relying more and more on the government to make choices for us instead of using our own brain to think for ourselves. The worst part is that it appears that many people actually want this. I was always taught as a kid that i could make my own adult decisions when i become an adult. Sadly in the last 20 or 30 years we have had more and more of those adult decisions made for us whether we like it or not. |
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| tw1tch |
| quote: | Originally posted by Jayx1
one more additional comment. We are relying more and more on the government to make choices for us instead of using our own brain to think for ourselves. The worst part is that it appears that many people actually want this. I was always taught as a kid that i could make my own adult decisions when i become an adult. Sadly in the last 20 or 30 years we have had more and more of those adult decisions made for us whether we like it or not. |
So let's see, If I don't like smoke I should just stay home or go outside. Going out for dinner is out of the question because I A) don't like smoke or B) am allergic to it. What a brilliant solution you've come up with. |
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| tw1tch |
| Those of you arguing against the no smoking by-law. I would agree if there was a mix of already existing smoking and non-smoking places. But without the no-smoking laws, EVERY restaurant and EVERY bar would be full of smoke. So all of you are suggesting I never go out, or I have to endure the cancer causing smoke? |
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| MarkT |
| quote: | Originally posted by PartEgurl
There are 10x more positive comments about the smoking ban, then there are negative. Jay, honestly I can't beleive you don't understand... Club goers should have the right to a smoke free club, and if smokers choose to smoke, they should go outside. Simple as that !!
Smoking is disgusting. I can't explain how gross it is when someone is smoking beside me. EWWWWWWWWW. There is no reason why they can't go outside. Who ing cares if it is hurting the clubs, it is a health regulation that needs to happen !!
Right now I am working at a restaurant/bar where there is no smoking ban. It's sick ! |
exactly...I especially liked this one:
"It's so disgusting coming back here to smoke," Pimentel, 20, said. "No one wants to wait in line and pay 10 bucks (cover charge) to get in for this."
gee, now he knows how non-smokers felt when they had to breathe that smoke in ALL NIGHT inside, not just for the 5 minutes he smells crap in the back alley, and then get home reeking of smoke too! I have ZERO sympathy for club goers and only a very small amount for businesses. Maybe that guy can vent some of that frustration at himself for having an harmful addiction, LOL. He had plenty of notice the law was coming and he could have sought help to quit smoking if his club life was sooooo important to him ;)
boo hoo, one place had to hire a WHOLE EXTRA PERSON to make sure drinks didn't go outside with smokers? Um, for one thing, a club/bar/whatever has to make sure drinks don't go out anyway, smoker or not...secondly, I don't think it's THAT unreasonable for a place to have to hire ONE person to whom they can pay minimum wage to deal with that issue. If a club or bar is operating on such a razor thin margin that paying that few extra $$$ is killing them, then they have MUCH larger business problems than just that issue!!!
This bylaw wasn't sprung on the city all of a sudden...there was plenty of notice and few clubs/bars/restaurants seem to have done anything to even try to adapt. I FULLY support allowing seperately ventilated smoking rooms...I firmly believe that businesses should be allowed to have them and that's where my sympathy ends with the current situation. I absolutely don't think they should be facing a ban on smoking rooms in the near future.
This "free market" argument for letting clubs decide whether or not they want smoking is flawed. Why should bars/clubs/restaurants be given that option and not workplaces, stores, gov't buildings, etc. etc. etc.??? Why not then let employers decide if their workplace is smoke free or not? You have to work to support yourself, but you don't have to work THERE, right? Even for more optional activities like going to the movies, to sporting events, etc. you can't smoke there either...should theatre managers or owners be allowed to use that same bull "free market" attitude? see how that logic fails? ;) |
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