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Cheese actually hurting the trance scene (pg. 2)
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| Sand Leaper |
| quote: | Originally posted by lachieslats
I'm talking about mainstream commercial pop cheesey crap like DJ SAMMY! argh! lol
not that is kinda obscure, but still sort of cheesey |
The point is that trance in general is viewed as pop cheesy crap nowadays by many EDM fans, regardless of it being Tiesto or DJ Sammy. |
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| MsGod |
| quote: | Originally posted by lachieslats
Every now and then I'll come across something in Mixmag (not that its a great mag) or elsewhere that will speak of how cheese has crucified the trance scene, that it has been responsible for much of the relative demise of trance in recent years.
So, do you think that if cheese was totally wiped out that the trance scene would be improved? That people that have a limited knowledege of trance hear cheese and hate it, so that they figure that all trance is ? |
I don't really think it matters...Some people LIKE cheese...i know i am guilty of it from time to time...i don't think you can entirely wipe out anything so why not just let it be...anyone who doesnt listen to trance cuz they think it is crap is entitled to their opinion, and on the other hand, who the hell needs them anyways... |
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| Spad |
| quote: | Originally posted by lachieslats
I'm not saying i dont listen to the odd cheesey tune here and there, my point is, do you think that this music is actually detrimental to the industry because it gives people a false perception of the trance scene in general |
tbh no.
I agree that the pop-chart "dance" music gives people a false perspective on what dance music is all about, but I don't think it hurts the scene at all.
If anything it probably helps it, because it forces respectable producers to be more inventive and try and stay away from the mainstream so as not to be tarred with the same brush. |
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| MikaPoika |
C'mon people. People usually start their trance listening career with cheese, and later it evolves to real trance. Well, i don't know about you, but i started with cheesy/, and my friend who hated trance before started to listen Dj Sammy couple of months ago. And now he listen my cd's. But doesen't admit yet that he likes them
In a nutshell. Cheesy --> real trance --> and the you find your own style. Everyone has a differend style in trance. Thats why it's so daaaaamn wonderful music |
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| aspergian |
^^^ lacieslats, fair enough. I addressed your query earlier in my first response, with my example of a "power vacuum", but I can elaborate if you want me to :)
Fundamentally, even if you were to wipe out all that "cheese", something else would fill it: the new cheese. That's what happens with trends throughout times -- people like something, and then it gets saturated and excessive, and then they move on to whatever's next... but the same thing just happens again, with a twist.
The blessing here is that if (some) trance is considered pop music and is played in rotation with Britney and Madonna et al., you know it must have a lot of listeners to be in that league.
Too often, I find the words like "cheese" trap people. The musical experience frees them. It's an ongoing conflict, which makes it dramatically fascinating.
I'm not worried. Only people who are worried are the you-know-whos. |
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| Zombie0915 |
I believe in the opposite, Plummet came into town and before that trance was pretty dead around here, after that night there was a rise in interest for trance. Plummet is like huge cheese they have only like 3 songs and they are just covers of some other older songs, so they dont even write their own music, IMHO, thats as cheezy as one can get. But thise "cheese" act actualy spawned some interest for a good lot of people.
The people who cant see beyond the music they hear on the radio, and assume all of trance is DJ sammy, are not the people we want in our trance scene anyway, so I don't consider chese as an enemy to any trance scene. |
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| neil_f |
| No, not at all - if there was no 'cheese' then more people would be attracted to trance, they wouldn't be put off by popular misconception of it developed by 'cheese' artists on the radio/in the charts. More people into trance = more potential for commercial gain = more producers producing for money, not for the scene. |
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| Luke Terry |
it's there in every scene, for good, bad & ugly
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| aspergian |
neil_f: I respect your opinion but that's an unfair statement, considering how many people are drawn IN by "cheese" and expand their horizons later, as has been stated.
Oh wait, Zombie0915 just said that. :)
People will always have a petty reason to slag something off or start a backlash or boycott or whatever. I've seen music dismissed merely because it had a catchy melody -- that's pretty sad.
It's called "pop music" for a reason, and it's another chicken & egg thing.
I have no problem with the moneymaking side of it if the music holds up to my ears.
It's a music business.
Here's an interesting suggestion: go to a part of the world where trance hasn't really spread yet and chart its evolution there. Experience the cultural development. Remember those Star Trek episodes where the Enterprise crew would visit some far-off planet that looked like Earth, only in an earlier developmental stage and some twists? Yeah, it's something like that.
And ask yourself this, in an oblique but nevertheless parallel way:
What were puzzle games like before Tetris? :) |
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| aspergian |
| I guess we'll have to call Ravers Union #187 and find out. |
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| davepiazza |
What is damaging EDM and trance is not cheese but bad dj's!!!
For example....Tiesto comes to Chicago a month ago and many people from the city and the midwest made an effort to see him live to understand what is trance, why is he #1, what is edm , etc. But his performace that night was anything but trance or EDM. This imo damaged the understanding of trance or edm to those poor sould came that night as virgins ready to be "mind ed" by the "king of trance".
Next example...Paul Van Dyk. His production work is imo the beuatiful and many colored sides of trance. However, again PVD's performces do not constantly provided "newbies" the opportunity to understand or get exposed to EDM.
The probelm is that when these dj get so close to tip the scale to get people to really begin to enjoy EDM they up. Either they start doing drugs ( Paul Oakenfold..maybe Tiesto:nervous: ) , they dont care and lose passion , or they start trying to rediscover themselves through new sounds when they should have been improving and continuing on expanding the sound they created. For example, you never heard Mozart begin to "experiment". He was very consistent but constently improving.
Praise the DJ when create the scene BUT also Blame the DJ when they ruin it. Its ulitmetly the DJ who drops the records and plays the songs. Its the DJ who stands in front of thousands of fans and listeners each night and creates an opinion of EDM for them.
They dont call it the hot seat for nothing... |
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