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O'Reilly vs. Moore (pg. 4)
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| LiquidX |
| quote: | Originally posted by speedracer_mec
Go watch the movie again.
Watch his crafty editing.
When he shows the scene about the little iraqi kids flying kites and quickly uses a jump cut editing technique to show bombs falling on "building structures" ,People like you get the idea that bombs are falling on houses of those little children. EH?
Now with that in mind go watch that scene again and tell me those werent Saddam's palaces being bombed.
Yes, exactly what Moore wants people like you to believe, Bush kills children of iraq.
That scene does not show what happened in iraq.
Also with Moore getting very rich you would think he would donate money to the Kerry Campaign....He hasnt
Just shows that he wants to brainwash people....I wont go any further.You should get the point |
Was that your impresion?!?!?!.. Thats not the impresion I got from that part of the movie. I think the argument he tried to implement was that.. before the war in Iraq, people were living a normal life, they were happy, and had a normal life... and with this War in Iraq, that, by the opinion of more then half americans now, was a huge mistake... all the lifes of those people changed for the reason of.. and argument of whattt?!?!?!... Yes, the bombs fell on the palaces and government buildings, but peoples life changed since then.. you would be LYING if Iraquis were not killed with those bombings, inoccent civilians.. for what?!?!.. to live in what is now the "meltingpot" for terrorists??.... thats the impresion I got, not the impresion that you are making out of it.. which is.. " Yeah we went to Iraq to bomb kids".. mm |
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| speedracer_mec |
Diff ideals/Beliefs
hence different interpretations. |
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| NeoPhono |
I took it as saying that before the bombings the Iraqi children had better access to kites.
Seriously, does anyone believe the Iraqis led "normal" lives under Saddam? |
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| hausmusic |
Dude!! I haven’t seen the movie!!!!... Once again get it in your thick thick head I don't care what took place in the Movie. What is important is what happened in reality. Still I’ll go with what you’re talking about 'Crafty editing' you speak of doesn’t sway anyone except some ignorant Americans like you. Man I don’t know how to break this to you but Bush is responsible for the deaths of children. When the war was waged its well-documented fact (NOT FROM MOORE) that all the Iraq insurgents merged into the city. Only a few Palaces were destroyed and the rest are still in use not by the people of Iraq but by the US f***ing Military. The military has used chemical weapons in Baghdad which will remain in the atmosphere for years. Causing many forms of respiratory diseases.
LiquidX saw the movie check what impression he got from it. >>
You know what we see on TV here in Canada we see how sorry your lives are in America... post 9/11 your government has built a new chapter on propaganda far worse than the nazis and ever Hitler could ever do.
You need to read facts!
And what are O'rielly's arguments? Who gives a ? Bush didn’t tell the truth any excuse O'reilly made where hardly sufficiant to excuse bush. You weren’t part of the millions of people around the world that protested the war; bush made sure you didn’t see much of that.
| quote: | | - Why is the world more dangerous? No major attacks against Americans have happened since the war on terror. With terrorists the world is always dangerous. |
Umm. You just wont get it will you. Before Americans could travel the world received by everyone with open arms. Now try and go anywhere everyone hates Americans. You don’t call beheading of Americans a threat. These people didn’t appear out of thin air, they are there because of America because of its government's policies. You don’t call kidnapping of Japanese; Chinese & Pakistani people a threat. You don’t call the bombing in Spain a threat.
| quote: | | The UN doesn't know when to intervene in any situation. There are massacres going on now and they won't do anything either. The UN never passed a resolution against the US in violation of the war in Iraq. |
Ok so what your saying is that we should let the US government be the governing body of the world that makes all decisions and has the right to choose the fate of children around the world. Okaaay~
| quote: | | Yeah insurgent will kill Al Qaida? When? After the insurgents finish killing their own people? |
I'm going to explain again pay attention this time.
Suicide bombings/beheadings = al-qaeda
Insurgents = Iraqi people (men women children Muslims and Christians) who want US out they do not kill their own that’s what your media wants you to believe... or probably what you want to believe.
| quote: | | Body count. Please check body count while Saddam was in power. Also check that insurgents are killing far more Iraqis than Americans. Please note 68 Iraqis killed today in bombing. |
Why don’t YOU try and prove to me that the same or even half or even quarter amount of people would have died (since the war in Iraq) if Sadaam was in power. Plus Look up for translation of insurgents they don’t kill their own.
I could go on trying to make endless arguments but I realize now the extent of this propaganda you people get. It's seriously sickening you don’t know or you don’t want to know what’s really going on in the world around you. You don’t understand the issues obviously for anyone to understand the issues you have to look on both sides of the story. Just for a minute think about why everyone in the world got together and made America look from Saviors to the Condemned. It's not politically motivated its not helping the Democrats if America looks like . Its not religion, Al qaeda is made up of Muslims but the people protesting against America are of every religion. And their reason is united. |
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| Frankie83 |
Here we go, another left wing socialist hippie. Hausmusic, you're just as bad as Moore. The naivity to not recognise the anti-american propaganda put forward by your media & stupid french government is astounding.
btw insurgents inshmurgents, anyone who attacks an american soldier deserves to die and go to hell |
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| NeoPhono |
| quote: | Originally posted by hausmusic
Man I don’t know how to break this to you but Bush is responsible for the deaths of children.
The military has used chemical weapons in Baghdad which will remain in the atmosphere for years. Causing many forms of respiratory diseases.
You know what we see on TV here in Canada we see how sorry your lives are in America... post 9/11 your government has built a new chapter on propaganda far worse than the nazis and ever Hitler could ever do.
You weren’t part of the millions of people around the world that protested the war; bush made sure you didn’t see much of that.
Before Americans could travel the world received by everyone with open arms. Now try and go anywhere everyone hates Americans.
Insurgents = Iraqi people (men women children Muslims and Christians) who want US out they do not kill their own that’s what your media wants you to believe... or probably what you want to believe.
Plus Look up for translation of insurgents they don’t kill their own.
I could go on trying to make endless arguments but I realize now the extent of this propaganda you people get. It's seriously sickening you don’t know or you don’t want to know what’s really going on in the world around you. You don’t understand the issues obviously for anyone to understand the issues you have to look on both sides of the story. Just for a minute think about why everyone in the world got together and made America look from Saviors to the Condemned. It's not politically motivated its not helping the Democrats if America looks like . Its not religion, Al qaeda is made up of Muslims but the people protesting against America are of every religion. And their reason is united. |
I'm speechless. |
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| DigiNut |
Why do people even argue with the liberal airheads about Michael Moore? Since Moore decided to quote Orwell in his movie as one of the great thinking minds, I think I'll quote Orwell too:
| quote: | | The majority of pacifists either belong to obscure religious sects or are simply humanitarians who object to taking life and prefer not to follow their thoughts beyond that point. But there is a minority of intellectual pacifists, whose real though unacknowledged motive appears to be hatred of western democracy and admiration for totalitarianism. Pacifist propaganda usually boils down to saying that one side is as bad as the other, but if one looks closely at the writing of the younger intellectual pacifists, one finds that they do not by any means express impartial disapproval but are directed almost entirely against Britain and the United States... |
You have to realize that proponents of the Michael Moore movement are mostly sheep who do exactly as Moore does:
Ask pointless questions - and ignore the answers. Or follow them up with even more pointless questions.
Regurgitate the same "facts" over and over again, no matter how false they are, in the hopes that enough repetition will cause people to swallow them.
And of course, when it looks like your debate opponent might be gaining the upper hand, lash out with a barrage of political slurs.
Moore, somehow, has got it down to an art, unlike his ersatz counterparts in this thread. As I tried to mention before with nobody listening (:p), intelligent debate with radical left-wingers who don't even understand that they are left-wing is simply not possible. |
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| LiquidX |
| quote: | Originally posted by NeoPhono
I took it as saying that before the bombings the Iraqi children had better access to kites.
Seriously, does anyone believe the Iraqis led "normal" lives under Saddam? |
Better then now, yes... ( at least thats what they claim saying ) |
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| LiquidX |
| quote: | Originally posted by DigiNut
Why do people even argue with the liberal airheads about Michael Moore? Since Moore decided to quote Orwell in his movie as one of the great thinking minds, I think I'll quote Orwell too:
You have to realize that proponents of the Michael Moore movement are mostly sheep who do exactly as Moore does:
Ask pointless questions - and ignore the answers. Or follow them up with even more pointless questions.
Regurgitate the same "facts" over and over again, no matter how false they are, in the hopes that enough repetition will cause people to swallow them.
And of course, when it looks like your debate opponent might be gaining the upper hand, lash out with a barrage of political slurs.
Moore, somehow, has got it down to an art, unlike his ersatz counterparts in this thread. As I tried to mention before with nobody listening (:p), intelligent debate with radical left-wingers who don't even understand that they are left-wing is simply not possible. |
LoL is funny how you people portray someone who was against the war or anything on that style.. RADICAL LIBERAL.. wtf.. and .. if Im religious, Im I conservative or liberal? |
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| Orbital32 |
| you know i'm think i'm going to vote for Bush... ONLY cuz i hate Micheal Moore so much. I don't belive in the way he "represents" me. If he would asked me if i should send my son (if i had one) to iraq i would say no. Nobody wants to send their kids to war. BUT that is not my choice to make. When my kid turns 18 he is legally and morally old enough to make his own decision. I would support their decision, not tell them they are going to die in vain. |
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| DigiNut |
| quote: | Originally posted by LiquidX
LoL is funny how you people portray someone who was against the war or anything on that style.. RADICAL LIBERAL.. wtf.. and .. if Im religious, Im I conservative or liberal? |
Not at all. Although the anti-war movement is definitely a left-wing one, it is by no means radical - I myself have very mixed feelings about the subject.
The "radical" part comes with the outrageous claims like:
- BUSH LIED
- BUSH IS A TERRORIST
- BUSH IS CENSORING THE NEWS ON THE WAR
- EVERYONE HATES AMERICANS
- SADDAM WAS A SAINT AND DID NO WRONG
- IRAQIS AREN'T COMMITTING TERRORISM, THEY'RE JUST REBELLING AGAINST THE USA'S IMPERIALISTIC OPPRESSION
Or just incredibly stupid questions, like:
- Would YOU send YOUR children out to die? (What a ludicrous question - you can't "send" your children out to war, it's not UP to you sacrifice someone *else's* life)
- WHERE ARE THE WEAPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTION?
- What's taking Iraq so long to rebuild their entire shattered economy into a fully developed country?
Everyone SHOULD be able to see just how inane these questions and platitudes are - and if you can't, then you really are a radical liberal (or maybe just plain ignorant).
I've heard many an intelligent person talk about why they were against the war, and they made some very good points. Michael Moore isn't one of them - he can't even keep his facts consistent, let alone true. And his supporters in this thread are doing him no credit with their positively sloppy debating.
Believe me, I'm the last person to call someone else a radical just because I disagree with them. But I'm hearing a lot of radical bull in this thread, I'm sorry to say. |
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| hausmusic |
| quote: | Originally posted by Frankie83
Here we go, another left wing socialist hippie. Hausmusic, you're just as bad as Moore. The naivity to not recognise the anti-american propaganda put forward by your media & stupid french government is astounding.
btw insurgents inshmurgents, anyone who attacks an american soldier deserves to die and go to hell |
Anti-American?? Moore isn’t Anti-American...neither am I. it’s this exact propaganda that people like you want the public to believe.
Hey buddy reality check most of America thinks the administration and war was a major fukup. According to that Americans are Anti-American...?? I don’t think so. Questioning your government’s actions is the best thing a country can do and it’s what makes it a democracy.
I disagree with you on "anyone who attacks an American soldier deserves to die and go to hell" comment. Just saying that sums up what kind of a person you are. You think other people (Iraqi's) don't have a right to fight for their rights? For their homes and oil...
I have a question for a person like you. For a change I would like you to take Iraqi's side in perspective. Tell me if you think putting a fraud President who is not democratically elected to run your country and do things which you don’t want, things that are not good for your national identity? Would you like that? …. |
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