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| hardcore trancer |
| quote: | Originally posted by Q5echo
yeah, i try not to waste my time here. |
Then leave,ooh and take your friends with you!!:p |
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| quote: | Originally posted by drewfactor
To answer your questions, you ignorant wanker, here it goes:
Both attacks were authorized with unprecedented precision, and led to the liberation of millions of people while making a significant dent in the terrorist networks and pan-arabist fascism of Saddam's regime, whilst making the world a tad safer. Besides, clinton "bombed the out of Yugoslavia (without UN approval) and where were all the protesters then?
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attacks were authorized with precision????hahhahahahahaah seriously you are in lost like many oher morons that think Bush is a saint.
ooh and Ya Iraq is a much safer place now.Iraqi people are very thankful now thats why they kill the Americans everyday!! :rolleyes:
| quote: | | If you were at least somewhat aware of the 9/11 commission report (Bipartisan), you would know that there is no evidence whatsoever that Bush lied about anything. In fact, what about the democrat Sandy Berger who was stealing secure documents? Kerry and his bull vietnam war hero stories? |
Iam not talking about 911 :rolleyes: Iam talking about other lies like IRAQ WMD bull,war on terrorism scam.
| quote: | | Bush is a leader. Maybe not the best leader, but he takes decisive action when action needs to be taken. |
He is a leader but a very ed up kind!!
Decisive action?? :rolleyes: Bombing Iraq was very decisive.:o |
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| LiquidX |
| Doesn't McCain look like Howard Dean?:conf: |
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| Q5echo |
| dude, i was thinking the same thing. |
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| Q5echo |
does anybody want to discuss UN res. 1518?
...or are we content with the shortsided hate?
i'll understand if you are. |
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| drewfactor |
| quote: | Originally posted by Cyrus King
Im comparing the gassing of the kurds to this war becuase its the same ing thing, INNOCENTS whether direct or indirect, for the THIRD time are being MURDERED in this country. You people think you were so smart to come into that region and think you can magically take it over and all the children will be cheering the soldiers on the streets like it was pathetically shown in the media days after the PResident proclaimed an end to the war.
Im also comparing the gassing of the kurds becuase it was "AUTHORIZED" by the Iraqi government.. just like this "war" was "authorized" by the US senate. Both were authorized but that doesnt make it right...get it??????
And guess who turned their back on this massacre and called it an "arab problem" when this took place....you guessed..good ol reagan/Bush admin
Millions will be made, becuase over a BILLION are muslim.. living in these environments that foster extremism. who do you think is helping the insurgents in Iraq??? Iraqi's???? AHAHAHAHA...take a look at all the muslim nations.... people are flocking there to save their "arab" brothers and sisters
You sound like a stupid republican spewing out the same bull about the middle east that has been reiterated since the 80's
the reason why MORE TERRORISTS ARE BEING CREATED is becuase of the anti-american/corporate sentiment that has arose from the war and occupation. Were these insurgents there before the war....no...after the war..yes
How bout you read a little more and stop watching Fox news...you sound like Bill Orielly. Hmm..im guessing you think that Bush was "misinformed" about the WMD...and he didnt lie..looooooool
And how the was saddam a threat to the US....a nation on the other side of earth! Iran.. Kuwait and even Israel werent even complaining and crying about this so called imminent threat and they are IRaq's neighbors!
get real:rolleyes: |
OK, so when Clinton, Kerry, Hillary Clinton, Al Gore, Ted Kennedy and many more Democrats said that Saddam had WMD and posed a huge threat, were they lying? Or is it only Bush that is capable of lying? IF you want me to prove those things, I will find the sources and show you. Or you could look at some other sources yourself.
| quote: | | Im comparing the gassing of the kurds to this war becuase its the same ing thing |
End of discussion on this. Your moral and intellectual bankruptsy is far too deep. You clearly cannot differentiate between the DIRECT TARGETTING OF INNOCENTS that is a tactic widely used in the Arab world, and the deaths of innocents due to being innocent by-standers.
I'll skip over your abusive ad hominum, it doesn't make your case any stronger.
Iraq was a threat. Other side of the earth? Germany was on the other side of the earth in WW2. What's your point. Saddam had already invaded Kuwait and was rescued by the US, and he should not have been allowed to stay in power after the first gulf war..an admitted mistake by the US.
The insurgents were there before the war. THey were brutally repressed under the Sunni dominance of the Baathist regime. NOw that that is not there, the insurgents are old Baathists who were well treated under saddam and are pissed off cuz they can't go around chopping off heads and and hands and throwing people off buildings. The rest of the insurgents are Shiites that are of the radical islamist type that don't want to see any sort of freedom ensue. |
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| Cyrus King |
| quote: | Originally posted by drewfactor
OK, so when Clinton, Kerry, Hillary Clinton, Al Gore, Ted Kennedy and many more Democrats said that Saddam had WMD and posed a huge threat, were they lying? Or is it only Bush that is capable of lying? IF you want me to prove those things, I will find the sources and show you. Or you could look at some other sources yourself.
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iraq dismantled its weapons program in 1991. It was all over the news last week if you didnt read it
Israel has weapons that are UNDECLARED as well.. 200 of them... they have attacked lebenon 5 years before Gulf war 1...why is it wrong to let saddam occupy Kuwait, when a nation like israel with nuclear bombs can also occupy Lebenon, destroy nearly half of its infrastructure and kill tens of thousands. Why is IRAQ the major threat.... again.. i will say this to you. If Saddam had an actual bomb, ISrael would have been targetted. If Saddam had weapons in 1998, Israel would have been targetted again when Clinton was on trial and bombing iraq simultaneously.
what THREAT is there? He HAD NO WEAPIONS TO USE!!!!!!!
even before official talk of war on iraq, there are news clipets of US officials admitting saddam had no weapons... watch Fahrenheit 9/11..it would really be a punch in your ingnorant face.
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End of discussion on this. Your moral and intellectual bankruptsy is far too deep. You clearly cannot differentiate between the DIRECT TARGETTING OF INNOCENTS that is a tactic widely used in the Arab world, and the deaths of innocents due to being innocent by-standers. |
By FORCEFULLY going to war and invading a nation is terrorism in my eyes.. State terrorism. Beleive it or not ... WAR TARGETS INNOCENTS
You look at terrorism in a very dilutted and basic american way... ARABS KILLING INNOCENTS.. look at the big picture buddy... a bomb is a bomb... it explodes and kills....whether its launched from osama or a US fighter jet
I cant beleive this basic drabble you are spewing out...its kinda sad actually.. you sound like a texan :eek:
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I'll skip over your abusive ad hominum, it doesn't make your case any stronger.
Iraq was a threat. Other side of the earth? Germany was on the other side of the earth in WW2. What's your point. Saddam had already invaded Kuwait and was rescued by the US, and he should not have been allowed to stay in power after the first gulf war..an admitted mistake by the US. |
Umm.. this isnt world war 2... and Germany was hardly a threat to the US.
Lets see...Saddam invades Kuwait and its bad... and when the US invades Iraq its good? In both cases... a military went in.. took over...
Again.. iran.. iraq's arch rival wasnt even complaining about this "threat".. and saddam hates persians as much as jews. Stop with the threat bull... its lame and makes you look like a fool
Who are the US to go in and demand that people live the way they see fit?
You are such a hypocrite
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The insurgents were there before the war. THey were brutally repressed under the Sunni dominance of the Baathist regime. NOw that that is not there, the insurgents are old Baathists who were well treated under saddam and are pissed off cuz they can't go around chopping off heads and and hands and throwing people off buildings. The rest of the insurgents are Shiites that are of the radical islamist type that don't want to see any sort of freedom ensue. |
LOL.. only iraqi's eh?? I guess there are no pakistani's there... iranians, Jordianians and palestinians helping out either. WHERE ARE THEY GETTING THE WEAPONS TO FIGHT IF THEY WERE ONCE OPPRESSED???? Where are all these rocket launchers and machine guns coming from...
This is truly sad... defending the imperialist quest under BLANTENT and disgusting lies concocted by the mafia in power. They are a virus in this world that needs to be removed... both the Bush admin and people like saddam.. they are both disgusting pieces of that need to be fed to lions in africa.
Your rhetoric is so predictable and extremely ignorant. You cannot see past this "evil vs. good" bull that has been indoctrinated in your head. |
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| Q5echo |
| quote: | | Umm.. this isnt world war 2... and Germany was hardly a threat to the US. |
and there it is. this one statement^alone is the earmark of your ideology.
all other thoughts that you have on this subject is systemic of your narrow or young world-view.
it is indefencable, it is embarassing and it corrupts all further debate you will ever have involving these matters. |
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| drewfactor |
| quote: | Originally posted by Q5echo
and there it is. this one statement^alone is the earmark of your ideology.
all other thoughts that you have on this subject is systemic of your narrow or young world-view.
it is indefencable, it is embarassing and it corrupts all further debate you will ever have involving these matters. |
and to be specific about that world-view, it is one that is so steeped in moral reletavism, the utter blindness to the context of the issues is what follows.
Oh I'm soooooo insulted, I sound like a Texan. Wow. Are there any texans on this board? Are you guys insulted? Your nation and statehood is being used as a way to deride someone else? |
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| DaveSZ |
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tm...vote_bush_dinar
HUDSON, United States (AFP) - US President George W. Bush (news - web sites) spoke of "the Soviet dinar," even though dinars are the Iraqi currency.
Recalling a White House meeting last spring with an Iraqi man who had both of his arms amputated by the regime of Saddam Hussein (news - web sites), the president said the man, who worked as a jeweller, was accused of illegal currency trading.
"And he had sold dinars on a particular day to buy another currency, euros or dollars, so he could buy gold to manufacture his product," Bush said.
"And because the Soviet dinar had devalued, Saddam Hussein plucked this guy out of society to punish him, and six other small merchants, for the devaluation of their currency. He just summarily said, you're it, come here -- and cut his hand off." |
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| drewfactor |
| quote: | Originally posted by Cyrus King
iraq dismantled its weapons program in 1991. It was all over the news last week if you didnt read it
Israel has weapons that are UNDECLARED as well.. 200 of them... they have attacked lebenon 5 years before Gulf war 1...why is it wrong to let saddam occupy Kuwait, when a nation like israel with nuclear bombs can also occupy Lebenon, destroy nearly half of its infrastructure and kill tens of thousands. Why is IRAQ the major threat.... again.. i will say this to you. If Saddam had an actual bomb, ISrael would have been targetted. If Saddam had weapons in 1998, Israel would have been targetted again when Clinton was on trial and bombing iraq simultaneously.
what THREAT is there? He HAD NO WEAPIONS TO USE!!!!!!!
even before official talk of war on iraq, there are news clipets of US officials admitting saddam had no weapons... watch Fahrenheit 9/11..it would really be a punch in your ingnorant face.
By FORCEFULLY going to war and invading a nation is terrorism in my eyes.. State terrorism. Beleive it or not ... WAR TARGETS INNOCENTS
You look at terrorism in a very dilutted and basic american way... ARABS KILLING INNOCENTS.. look at the big picture buddy... a bomb is a bomb... it explodes and kills....whether its launched from osama or a US fighter jet
I cant beleive this basic drabble you are spewing out...its kinda sad actually.. you sound like a texan :eek:
Umm.. this isnt world war 2... and Germany was hardly a threat to the US.
Lets see...Saddam invades Kuwait and its bad... and when the US invades Iraq its good? In both cases... a military went in.. took over...
Again.. iran.. iraq's arch rival wasnt even complaining about this "threat".. and saddam hates persians as much as jews. Stop with the threat bull... its lame and makes you look like a fool
Who are the US to go in and demand that people live the way they see fit?
You are such a hypocrite
LOL.. only iraqi's eh?? I guess there are no pakistani's there... iranians, Jordianians and palestinians helping out either. WHERE ARE THEY GETTING THE WEAPONS TO FIGHT IF THEY WERE ONCE OPPRESSED???? Where are all these rocket launchers and machine guns coming from...
This is truly sad... defending the imperialist quest under BLANTENT and disgusting lies concocted by the mafia in power. They are a virus in this world that needs to be removed... both the Bush admin and people like saddam.. they are both disgusting pieces of that need to be fed to lions in africa.
Your rhetoric is so predictable and extremely ignorant. You cannot see past this "evil vs. good" bull that has been indoctrinated in your head. |
If Iraq dismantled it's weapons program in '91, why did saddam stifle inspections? He blatantly acted as if he has weapons.
Israel is a the only thriving democracy in the middle east. Israeli occupation of Lebanon? What about the long standing Syrian occupation of Lebanon? Why aren't you crying about that one?
oooooooh, so your gonna sic Moore after me...oooooh. Much like your heros in the Arab world, you sure like a good propaganda piece. Sorry, I'll stick to Fox news.....OH WAIT! We can't get Fox news in Canada! Perhaps I'll have to resort to Al Jazeera, which was just recently authorized by the CRTC.
You see, the US is not saying "live this way." You fail to understand that there are basic principles that all human beings are worthy of being granted. Namely, freedom from oppression, freedom of expression, private property rights, freedom of religion and so much more...and virtually nowhere in the middle east are those things granted. Now, you get all caught up in your "Saddam invading Kuwait is equal to Bush invading Iraq business" that you fail to see the big picture. This is World War 4 (WW3 being the cold war). It is times like this that moral clarity is necessary. The murderous ideology that America is at war with is evil. Bush is not afraid to call evil by it's name. |
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| drewfactor |
| quote: | Originally posted by Cyrus King
iraq dismantled its weapons program in 1991. It was all over the news last week if you didnt read it
Israel has weapons that are UNDECLARED as well.. 200 of them... they have attacked lebenon 5 years before Gulf war 1...why is it wrong to let saddam occupy Kuwait, when a nation like israel with nuclear bombs can also occupy Lebenon, destroy nearly half of its infrastructure and kill tens of thousands. Why is IRAQ the major threat.... again.. i will say this to you. If Saddam had an actual bomb, ISrael would have been targetted. If Saddam had weapons in 1998, Israel would have been targetted again when Clinton was on trial and bombing iraq simultaneously.
what THREAT is there? He HAD NO WEAPIONS TO USE!!!!!!!
even before official talk of war on iraq, there are news clipets of US officials admitting saddam had no weapons... watch Fahrenheit 9/11..it would really be a punch in your ingnorant face.
By FORCEFULLY going to war and invading a nation is terrorism in my eyes.. State terrorism. Beleive it or not ... WAR TARGETS INNOCENTS
You look at terrorism in a very dilutted and basic american way... ARABS KILLING INNOCENTS.. look at the big picture buddy... a bomb is a bomb... it explodes and kills....whether its launched from osama or a US fighter jet
I cant beleive this basic drabble you are spewing out...its kinda sad actually.. you sound like a texan :eek:
Umm.. this isnt world war 2... and Germany was hardly a threat to the US.
Lets see...Saddam invades Kuwait and its bad... and when the US invades Iraq its good? In both cases... a military went in.. took over...
Again.. iran.. iraq's arch rival wasnt even complaining about this "threat".. and saddam hates persians as much as jews. Stop with the threat bull... its lame and makes you look like a fool
Who are the US to go in and demand that people live the way they see fit?
You are such a hypocrite
LOL.. only iraqi's eh?? I guess there are no pakistani's there... iranians, Jordianians and palestinians helping out either. WHERE ARE THEY GETTING THE WEAPONS TO FIGHT IF THEY WERE ONCE OPPRESSED???? Where are all these rocket launchers and machine guns coming from...
This is truly sad... defending the imperialist quest under BLANTENT and disgusting lies concocted by the mafia in power. They are a virus in this world that needs to be removed... both the Bush admin and people like saddam.. they are both disgusting pieces of that need to be fed to lions in africa.
Your rhetoric is so predictable and extremely ignorant. You cannot see past this "evil vs. good" bull that has been indoctrinated in your head. |
If Iraq dismantled it's weapons program in '91, why did saddam stifle inspections? He blatantly acted as if he has weapons.
Israel is a the only thriving democracy in the middle east. Israeli occupation of Lebanon? What about the long standing Syrian occupation of Lebanon? Why aren't you crying about that one?
oooooooh, so your gonna sic Moore after me...oooooh. Much like your heros in the Arab world, you sure like a good propaganda piece. Sorry, I'll stick to Fox news.....OH WAIT! We can't get Fox news in Canada! Perhaps I'll have to resort to Al Jazeera, which was just recently authorized by the CRTC.
You see, the US is not saying "live this way." You fail to understand that there are basic principles that all human beings are worthy of being granted. Namely, freedom from oppression, freedom of expression, private property rights, freedom of religion and so much more...and virtually nowhere in the middle east are those things granted. Now, you get all caught up in your "Saddam invading Kuwait is equal to Bush invading Iraq business" that you fail to see the big picture. This is World War 4 (WW3 being the cold war). It is times like this that moral clarity is necessary. The murderous ideology that America is at war with is evil. Bush is not afraid to call evil by it's name. |
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