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Can someone please answer these NOOB questions? (pg. 2)
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| NooBey |
| quote: | Originally posted by bruddahmanmatt
Well of course there is, by altering several elements of a track, one can make it easier to dance/club to. While "Club" does not denote the parameters of a track itself, it does kind of imply that it is easier to drop in a club or dance to. I guess you could say that's what club means. That the club version of a track is danceable to and works very well in a clubbing environment. But by saying that a track is easy for a DJ to spin in a club doesn't say anything particular and specific about the way it is structured since as I said, you could have a club mix of tracks from many different genres. |
Yes I know. Every genre can be called Club.
Club-Trance, Club-House, Club-Dance and even Club-Rock lol
Damn...I hate Rock...And Metal even more!
STUPID GENRE! lol
(please dont flame me:toothless ) |
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| Floorfiller |
| usually club mixes are a bit more...surprise!!!...club oriented. it just means that as a couple people now have said...it is meant to bang a little more... |
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| sandstorm03 |
"club" @ my local store is where all the britney spears/iio/ian van dahl remixes and stuff like that are.
commercial "dance" music |
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| NooBey |
I FORGOT 1 MORE QUESTION! :P
What's Dream genre all about?
I had a few Dream tracks but I don't know where they are now :P
They were sorta like a weird mix between Trance and Dance. That genre is uplifting I think. |
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| aspergian |
Here we go again ;)
NooBey, your enthusiasm is appreciated. Welcome to TranceAddict. Just listen to everyone's opinions here and see what makes sense to you. There are few absolutes, but a lot of relativity. Relate that to personal truths. For example, what is mainstream in Japan may very well be underground here.
"Uplifting" is not necessarily a style, but it is an adjective to describe how you might feel while listening to the music. However, what is uplifting and inspires one may be downright depressing and morbidly macabre to another person. Don't ever adhere dogmatically to these terms but have fun with them. Here's another one:
Tomorrow's progressive is today's regressive.
"dance music" itself is a big net to catch fish in. What about Flappers? Big band? So, I guess we use the word "Electronic" in conjunction with it now.
And don't worry if you see the same thing many times... REDUNDANCY :crazy: is part of the game. A lot of words, but in the end, you like to listen to the music you like. |
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| aspergian |
| quote: | Originally posted by NooBey
I FORGOT 1 MORE QUESTION! :P
What's Dream genre all about?
I had a few Dream tracks but I don't know where they are now :P
They were sorta like a weird mix between Trance and Dance. That genre is uplifting I think. |
Ahhh... I just saw your question.
"Dream" is another fuzzy patch. Which tracks of yours do you consider Dream? I would say a good example of "dream" might be Robert Miles's "Children". Again, like "uplifting", it seeks to evoke dreamy feelings and may have elements like lush pads, nature sounds, and surreal sound effects. It can be both trance and dance, and uplifting, all at the same time. Don't be confused -- when in doubt, simply put things in your own words, describe the music how you perceive it. :D That is the best recommendation I can give you. Oh, and... you might wanna have some fun with this:
http://www.di.fm/edmguide
Read the disclaimers though! |
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| NooBey |
| OK I know what Dream music is now. I wasn't sure about it but when you said that "Robert Miles - Children" is a Dream track I INSTANTLY knew what Dream music is.;) |
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| |cEbLu3 |
| quote: | Originally posted by aspergian
Ahhh... I just saw your question.
"Dream" is another fuzzy patch. Which tracks of yours do you consider Dream? I would say a good example of "dream" might be Robert Miles's "Children". Again, like "uplifting", it seeks to evoke dreamy feelings and may have elements like lush pads, nature sounds, and surreal sound effects. It can be both trance and dance, and uplifting, all at the same time. Don't be confused -- when in doubt, simply put things in your own words, describe the music how you perceive it. :D That is the best recommendation I can give you. Oh, and... you might wanna have some fun with this:
http://www.di.fm/edmguide
Read the disclaimers though! |
Rofl that edm guide put Envio - Touched by the Sun in the 'Not Trance' section. He also says that if you listen to deep trance ur either a 'pretentious sasha whore' or you don't admit you listen to trance, LoL. I guess thats freedom of speech for ya. |
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| Plastick |
Imo, uplifting is more of an adjective better used for describing a sub/genre of eg, trance. Better not to name it another sub-genre of trance.
| quote: | Originally posted by |cEbLu3
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Off topic: :eyes: U're da first Msian I've seen on TA board. Hi :) |
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| varun |
The more sub-genres you develop, the more problems you have.
Often, tracks overlap the genres harboring elements from more than one or two of them.
IMO..this would be a basic breakdown of EDM.
1)Techno
2)Trance
2.1) Uplifting Trance
2.2) Progressive Trance
2.3) Hard Trance/Hardstyle
2.4) Psy Trance
2.5) Tech-Trance
3) House
3.1) Progressive House
3.2) Deep House
3.3) Tribal House
3.4) Tech-House
3.5) Disco-House
This encompasses the 3 main genres. Of course this list can further be expanded. |
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| Ibiza Dreams |
| quote: | Originally posted by NooBey
I have a few questions and I would be very happy if someone could give me the answers.
1. What does "Mainstream" means?
2. What does "Commercial" means? (Commercial tracks that is)
3. What does "Uplifting" means? (Uplifting tracks that is)
4. What's the difference between Psy-Trance and Psychedelic?
5. How can I tell if the genre of a perticular track is Club? I know how to distinguish between Trance, Dance, House and Psychedelic but I still can't tell if a track is Club.
Thanks for the help! |
Let me try to give you a hand here and clear things up.
1. Mainstream = A label given to any type of music that has become popular to the point that is being played on the radio and on TV. Some people automatically dislike a track that has become "mainstream" just because they're either shallow and don't want to enjoy the song because alot of people enjoy it (hence, no longer unique) or because the song gets played so often that it becomes annoying.
2. Commercial essentially means the same thing as Mainstream. Again, popular and well-known. The problem is that most of the tracks that become "Commercial" or "Mainstream" are usually very uninspired with a catchy hook, you understand? Tracks that aren't very original or creative, they're just made with a generic formula with the hopes of it making lots of money. And of course, the uneducated public enjoy this "cheesy" music because they haven't made an effort to see the real art that is trance.
3. Alright, forget everything you've heard so far, listen to my opinion on uplifting trance, then make your decision.
There are 2 MAIN types of trance. Progressive and Uplifting.
Uplifting is trance with breakdowns, long pauses, buildups, large climaxes, lots of energy, usually faster than progressive. You will hear synthesizers being used more in uplifting trance songs which helps convey emotion (hence being called "uplifting"). At the peak point (as in after a breakdown) of an uplifting track, all the elements of the song come together... basslines, kicks, the melody, synths, percussions, pads... etc.
(Ex. Binary Finary - 1998 (Paul van Dyk Remix))
Progressive trance is more monotonous, it may have breakdowns and buildups but not anywhere near as energetic or powerful as the ones in uplifting trance. It mainly follows a similar sound throughout and slowly gives and takes different sounds as the song progresses, without relying on large changes in sound to add in or take out sounds.
(Ex. PQM - You Are Sleeping (PQM meets Luke Chable Dub Pass))
I picked 2 tracks that define each genre very well.
There are other genres of trance such as tech-trance, hard trance, psy-trance, etc. Tech and hard trance are pretty self-explanatory, harder, faster, tech-trance shares similarities with techno.
(Ex. Marco V - Indicator)
A tech-trance song can be uplifting, but with more techno elements, so it could be classified as both, tech and uplifting. It's a mixture of 2 genres, so I don't consider it a genre on its own. Again, concentrate on those 2 main types. Dream Trance, Melodic Trance, Epic Trance... all pretty much the same (Uplifting) but with slightly different elements (not enough change to warrant a genre-change), you'll get confused and frustrated trying to fit each track in its own category. As long as you stick to the 2 main types, Progressive and Uplifting, you'll be alright.
4. Psy-trance is the same as Psychadelic trance, Psy is just abbreviated.
5. Club genre. Again, 2 main types of trance, club is NOT one of them. The "Club" label is given to tracks that the producer/remixer thought were more geared towards a nightclub. For example, the producer/remixer might have made an original mix of a song, decided it wasn't energetic or fast enough for a club, so he then decided to make a club mix, adding speed, energy, etc. But "CLUB" is not a genre. It's like if I make a remix to a song and I call it the "Chilled Mix." Chilled isn't a genre of music, but it's just a sort of description of the mood I wanted to convey with that specific remix.
Hope this helps bro, enjoy your trip into trance, you have tons and tons to discover. |
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| albertoR |
IMO you cant say uplifting trance is more energetic than progressive trance. The tracks vary and the amount of energy they bring out can only be determined by the listener. For example, I could be listening uplifting trance but be in a state of boredom and the breakdowns would just make it duller but i could be jumping all around with progressive trance.
I think what separates uplifting and progressive is the way the track is build and its tempo. A progressive track will most likely progress it will build up and introduce new elements and melodies to the track, it will have a heavy baseline that flows with the rest of the elements and when the breakdown reaches instead of collapsing in 5 seconds like it usually is with uplifting trance, it will continue to build up and add a stronger baseline each time.
But both uplifting and progressive can be melodic, powerfull, energetic. It all depends on the ear of the listener.
again this is only my opinion... |
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