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Who here has never drank or smoked? (pg. 13)
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| Pariah Cleric |
| quote: | Originally posted by Nite-Mer
The fifteen year old trying to pick fights. He's too cool and says no to drugs. |
Incase you missed out, it was Slylee who was picking on the non-drug users. Honestly, I could care less whether people do drugs or not. I was defending myself, and I was referring to UWM and Slylee when I said cokeheads stick together.
Slylee, do you honestly think you're a better person than me for putting poisons in your system? I'm not naive, I'm not ignorant. I choose not to take drugs because they ARE dangerous (some less than others, obviously), and to say otherwise would be ignorant on your own part. |
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| Nite-Mer |
| quote: | Originally posted by Pariah Cleric
Incase you missed out, it was Slylee who was picking on the non-drug users. Honestly, I could care less whether people do drugs or not. I was defending myself, and I was referring to UWM and Slylee when I said cokeheads stick together.
Slylee, do you honestly think you're a better person than me for putting poisons in your system? I'm not naive, I'm not ignorant. I choose not to take drugs because they ARE dangerous (some less than others, obviously), and to say otherwise would be ignorant on your own part. |
I'm proud of you for your decision. Not doing drugs is commendable. However, a person who has never done drugs shouldn't act as though they understand them. Your position sounds like a typical media based argument. What you don't know, is that most drugs are not even that harmful when used in moderation. Even coke, which I will never do (afraid of addiction (personal reason)), is not very harmful when not overused. And there are a plethora of lower level drugs that are even less harmful. E, for example, is portrayed as a killer. If you research it using valid sources or experience it yourself on a safe level, you will find it's not harmful at all. It has been studied and studies show that a pill a month is completely safe, assuming that it is pure or doesn't have harmful additions. Most people do not know this, because they watch biased MTV reports. I'm not even really trying to rip you, but some of your comments come off ignorant. I realize you felt the need to be defensive, because S called you a nerd, but you should still watch your wording. |
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| Pariah Cleric |
| No, I know most drugs are for the most part harmless when used in moderation, and I'll respect a person's choice to do drugs, but when they attack my choice, I'll defend it. |
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| torontotrance |
| but that brings me to my brother's friend who has fallen down the downward spiral. He was an A student, he drank a bit but that was it, the kid that I knew is now heavily into drugs. It was the odd hit he took and most of his friend did nothing but now the guy is so heavily into drugs that it is scary. So should we respect his choice to do drugs and leave him to his own devices? Judging your point above, I'm thinking that's what you mean. |
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| Orbax |
| I very much doubt anyone respects abuse of any kind. |
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| torontotrance |
but he used it in moderation
My point is drugs are wrong, yes you get a great high from them but I've seen too many people use it in moderation and then spiral into abuse. I know only of one person that did not go into drug addiction but everyone else that I've known did. Would that make me unlucky or would it give me a unique outlook on life. I've always thought that everything anyone does affects someone else in some way or manner, whether it is good or bad. |
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| Orbax |
Think about how many people you walk by every day that you see as normal. You walk into businesses, go to classes, ride the bus.
How many people are obviously cracked out. The path to addiction is a choice. It isnt the drugs, or the persons susceptibility to them. Its the fact that they put themselves into situations with people they know will let that stuff go by, wont say anything. They dont find jobs, they dont go to school, dont have any plans or goals.
These are the people who are ed no matter what. Drug addiction is just something they do because they have zero else going for them. People can see addiction coming from a looooong way away.
You start hanging out with drug dealers. You start going to shacks in the ty part of town to party and hang out. T
bull excuses aside, people know they shouldnt be doing this stuff, but they do it anyway. Dont blame the drugs. These people are the ones who eventually do something equally stupid if drugs arent an option to abuse. |
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| Nite-Mer |
| quote: | Originally posted by torontotrance
but that brings me to my brother's friend who has fallen down the downward spiral. He was an A student, he drank a bit but that was it, the kid that I knew is now heavily into drugs. It was the odd hit he took and most of his friend did nothing but now the guy is so heavily into drugs that it is scary. So should we respect his choice to do drugs and leave him to his own devices? Judging your point above, I'm thinking that's what you mean. |
You definitely don't have to respect abuse, but it's hard to try and make the decision for someone. If they are close to you, you should attempt to influence them, but you can't judge them. If you're a believer, which I think you are, you should understand that. It's a really tender situation when someone you know and love has a problem that they cannot get to grips with. You have to be supportive, but it's really hard to bring that stuff up without putting someone on the defensive. I would say there was a period when I took to many pills of e, and, although it wasn't destroying my life, it was harmful. I had to assess the situation and move my life in a more positive direction. I will definitely not assert that I do everything right, it would be foolish, but I try to respect everyone for their decisions, even if I don't really respect it. I don't know if that makes sense to you or not, but that's my perspective. |
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| Orbax |
| tenderness and support. I beat the out of my friend until he stopped doing cocaine. Then I went to his dealer and ed him up too and told him to never contact anyone I know again. |
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| Nite-Mer |
| quote: | Originally posted by Pariah Cleric
No, I know most drugs are for the most part harmless when used in moderation, and I'll respect a person's choice to do drugs, but when they attack my choice, I'll defend it. |
I can totally respect that. You just came off a little different earlier. |
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| Clovis86 |
| quote: | Originally posted by Orbax
Think about how many people you walk by every day that you see as normal. You walk into businesses, go to classes, ride the bus.
How many people are obviously cracked out. The path to addiction is a choice. It isnt the drugs, or the persons susceptibility to them. Its the fact that they put themselves into situations with people they know will let that stuff go by, wont say anything. They dont find jobs, they dont go to school, dont have any plans or goals.
These are the people who are ed no matter what. Drug addiction is just something they do because they have zero else going for them. People can see addiction coming from a looooong way away.
You start hanging out with drug dealers. You start going to shacks in the ty part of town to party and hang out. T
bull excuses aside, people know they shouldnt be doing this stuff, but they do it anyway. Dont blame the drugs. These people are the ones who eventually do something equally stupid if drugs arent an option to abuse. |
Exactly. What if I were to get horribly fat from eating McDonalds three times a day for three years. (well I'd probably die first :wtf: ) Would you blame McDonalds?
-Clovis |
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| Nite-Mer |
| quote: | Originally posted by Orbax
tenderness and support. I beat the out of my friend until he stopped doing cocaine. Then I went to his dealer and ed him up too and told him to never contact anyone I know again. |
To each his own. I don't really think of violence as a solution to my problems. I have friends that do, and I'm not judging you, by any means. You handled it the way a lot of people would, and I haven't really had any good friends addicted to coke, so I don't know exactly what I'd do. I did have a roommate who moved in addicted to meth though, which I think is far worse. What a junkie drug. Luckily for him, he was pretty much at a low, and got his car repossessed. He couldn't go anywhere without me and I kept him away from the drugs and the people who he did them with. Now he has moved back to Mass with his parents and has been clean for a long time. My solution wasn't necessarily better, but different. |
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