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the kobe accuser (pg. 5)
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| N|te-L|fe |
| quote: | Originally posted by tranceaholic
they r both blonde man...which one is she... |
Right one looks pretty brunette to me dude... |
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| SportTrance |
| quote: | Originally posted by DaveSZ
Yep.
She might be a whore in it for money, but she might be telling the truth - in which case Kobe should be in jail. |
Yeah she might be, but in this judicial system, anything goes. Lord knows we see and hear enough damn cases of money hungry or highly over sensitive women sending guys off to jail for the most ridiculous bull.
The system has been abused, and its not only hurting the system, but our overall view of cases like this, as well as women who are TRULY getting abused/harrassed. They say you're innocent until proven guilty, but in this media obsessed world, youre labeled guilty before you even hit the stand, and even if proven innocent, your image is still strongly tainted.
From people suing McDonalds and so on, to OJ Simpson, theres a lot of rich people in this world that have taken advantage of the system and won, and this hinders those who really are deserving of justice.
and thats why this country doesnt have absolute trust in the system and why so many refuse to go to court, and instead, they take the matters into their own hands, which ofcourse causes disasterous results, deserving or not. |
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| JayD |
| quote: | Originally posted by torontotrance
See most of you say that Kobe is innocent, it does not matter what her high school friends say, nor does it matter what the rest of the world thinks, she says no and he continues, that's rape no matter how you look at it. |
You should go to school to be a prossecuter because it seems like if anyone accuses someone of anything then they're guilty to you.
Girls know they have the upperhand in this situation. Seem's like you have some hard evidense that she said "no" and he continued. Not saying that she didn't, but again like I said previously, you have to look on both sides of the picture. There is no proof that she was rapped, there is proof that he had sex with her, but no proof that she was rapped. I don't believe there was any bruises or marks from force which usually occour during rape (I could be wrong, yet I haven't heard of any.)
| quote: | | If she was really after the money, she would have told him pay me 4 million and I'll never tell anyone. |
Extorsion? And if that didn't work then her rape charge would've gotten nowhere and she would have no chance of money. You have to remember that she's still going after a civil charge after dropping the judicial charge for "unstated expenses". To be honest, she'll probably win.
| quote: | | Remember his wife never knew about his idiocy and adultry till he was going to be charged and he fessed up. |
Are you aware of how many basketball players have sex with other's when on the road?
Guess not.
JaY |
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| torontotrance |
Let's see, Wilt Chamberlain claimed to had sex with 25,000 women over his career. Magic Johnson got HIV from one of these encounters. Shawn Kemp has 14 kids by 12 different women, of course I know.
I never said that if you were told to stop that you were automatically guilty, the courts sort out the innocence or guilt of the accused but if there is enough evidence for charges, there must be some evidence of a perceived wrong. The only thing that I'm sick and tired of is that rich people tend to get off (OJ, Kobe (IMO!), that son of the New York real estate guy, who killed a man, got off and is suspected of his wife's killing and a friend's but has not been charged).
Now about the money aspect, are the Goldman and Brown families money grabbing? I get the sense that from you jayd that if anyone decides to launch a civil trial, they are instantly money hungry. I mean OJ got off, basically the same as Kobe, they both were not found guilty and the same thing is happening, a civil trial. So are those families money hungry? I would say No, people are not necessarily after money in civil trials, most are after hurting the accused in the pocketbook for a wrong that they committed, the law allows that. The goldman and brown familes got 34 million, are they greedy? are they money grabbing, no they are pursuing another legal avenue to the accused feel responsible. If I was wronged that badly, I would consider both avenues, even if the person was found guilty because you are making the statement that your wrongs harmed the life of another and you should be held accountable legally and financially. I mean I doubt the money means a hell of alot to the girl who was raped, her life has been turned upside down, most of her friends have ditched her and Kobe's actions was responsible for that, we are not talking about rape here, we are talking about Kobe's actions hurting someone else. |
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| tranceaholic |
| quote: | Originally posted by torontotrance
Let's see, Wilt Chamberlain claimed to had sex with 25,000 women over his career. Magic Johnson got HIV from one of these encounters. Shawn Kemp has 14 kids by 12 different women, of course I know.
I never said that if you were told to stop that you were automatically guilty, the courts sort out the innocence or guilt of the accused but if there is enough evidence for charges, there must be some evidence of a perceived wrong. The only thing that I'm sick and tired of is that rich people tend to get off (OJ, Kobe (IMO!), that son of the New York real estate guy, who killed a man, got off and is suspected of his wife's killing and a friend's but has not been charged).
Now about the money aspect, are the Goldman and Brown families money grabbing? I get the sense that from you jayd that if anyone decides to launch a civil trial, they are instantly money hungry. I mean OJ got off, basically the same as Kobe, they both were not found guilty and the same thing is happening, a civil trial. So are those families money hungry? I would say No, people are not necessarily after money in civil trials, most are after hurting the accused in the pocketbook for a wrong that they committed, the law allows that. The goldman and brown familes got 34 million, are they greedy? are they money grabbing, no they are pursuing another legal avenue to the accused feel responsible. If I was wronged that badly, I would consider both avenues, even if the person was found guilty because you are making the statement that your wrongs harmed the life of another and you should be held accountable legally and financially. I mean I doubt the money means a hell of alot to the girl who was raped, her life has been turned upside down, most of her friends have ditched her and Kobe's actions was responsible for that, we are not talking about rape here, we are talking about Kobe's actions hurting someone else. |
PLEASE answer me based on what do u find kobe guilty..please answer me what do u think of the fact that she had sex right after kobe and before she reported to the cops..stop dodging those points...scond difference between kobe and OJ is kobe didnt even go to trail the chick pulled out u would think if she really was raped she would testify and do her best to put kobe behind bars..i am tired of repeating mine and everyone else's points... |
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| torontotrance |
See if a woman claims she was raped and had bruises on her, why should I doubt her, unless she has done it before it's up the attorneys to prove or disprove the guilt. I thought Kobe was guilty, I've had friends who had been raped and the person who did it, gave the same story, good thing the courts did not see it that way and put those scumbags away for 18 years. I thought that the police would not have charged Kobe, if there had been a huge doubt in the woman's story or if they thought she was lying, cops are not stupid, well most are not....i hope. I think that they would not have gone to the lengths they did, to charge him or waste the public's money on this trial, if they thought she was lying.
I love that argument of Kobe was the last person that would do something like that, they normally are the people who do it, are the last person that you would suspect. I mean you can't predict that someone won't rape someone, you could be mr.clean and up once but that brings a charge of rape. |
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| tranceaholic |
| quote: | Originally posted by torontotrance
See if a woman claims she was raped and had bruises on her, why should I doubt her, unless she has done it before it's up the attorneys to prove or disprove the guilt. I thought Kobe was guilty, I've had friends who had been raped and the person who did it, gave the same story, good thing the courts did not see it that way and put those scumbags away for 18 years. I thought that the police would not have charged Kobe, if there had been a huge doubt in the woman's story or if they thought she was lying, cops are not stupid, well most are not....i hope. I think that they would not have gone to the lengths they did, to charge him or waste the public's money on this trial, if they thought she was lying.
I love that argument of Kobe was the last person that would do something like that, they normally are the people who do it, are the last person that you would suspect. I mean you can't predict that someone won't rape someone, you could be mr.clean and up once but that brings a charge of rape. |
she does not have bruises on her..you should doubt her because there is money and i mean lots of money to be made from the claim..u should doubt her because she is a slut..u should doubt her because she had sex right after kobe..u should doubt her because she had sex before she reported to the authorities..u should doubt her because she dropped the case real early..u should doubt her because she doesnt want to testify...enuf reasons for ya |
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| torontotrance |
Some rape victims never testified because they were too scared to do so, does that mean they were not raped?. Just because she goes for a civil trial, does that mean she wants money? Does being a slut negate the rape? A slut is a slut, a rape is a rape.
So like if she got raped by a middle class white dude and it somehow made national news and she declined to testify at the trial and sued him in civil court, would that make her money hungry? |
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| bobba lou |
| she is a cumm rag anywhere she hides....nuff said |
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| JayD |
| quote: | Originally posted by torontotrance
See if a woman claims she was raped and had bruises on her, why should I doubt her, unless she has done it before it's up the attorneys to prove or disprove the guilt. I thought Kobe was guilty, |
Her statements say that Kobe choked her to the point of where she could not breath, yet she had no marks of bruising / bruises besides one of jaw the size of half a penny. You can read the transcripts for yourself and see what I mean.
So I still don't see where you're going.
JaY |
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| JayD |
| quote: | Originally posted by torontotrance
Some rape victims never testified because they were too scared to do so, does that mean they were not raped?. Just because she goes for a civil trial, does that mean she wants money? Does being a slut negate the rape? A slut is a slut, a rape is a rape.
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She was going to testify until they found out about her sexual history. She even wen't to court one of those days which was the first time Kobe and her saw eachother since the incident. Look at the CNN timeline.
JaY |
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| tranceaholic |
| quote: | Originally posted by torontotrance
Some rape victims never testified because they were too scared to do so, does that mean they were not raped?. Just because she goes for a civil trial, does that mean she wants money? Does being a slut negate the rape? A slut is a slut, a rape is a rape.
So like if she got raped by a middle class white dude and it somehow made national news and she declined to testify at the trial and sued him in civil court, would that make her money hungry? |
if u dont testify u have no case...most rape victim do testify..and with kobe's case..its a high profile case whats he gonna do wait outside ur house to get revenge secondly with a powerful defence team,if she did get raped and want justice she knows she has to testify to make her case...she knows that against a strong defence team she will have a hard time lying.. |
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