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'98 vs. '99 (pg. 3)
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| davepiazza |
| quote: | Originally posted by Radagast
Are you being and idiot on purpose? What you consider good music someone else considers crap.
It doesn't matter what tracks come out in each year. The question wasn't which year has better tracks. The question was which year was better for trance. Those are two different questions, with two different answers. The former can (and is fairly regularly on these forums) be answered with pure opinion. The latter should be answered with opinion backed up by fact.
I don't even give a damn which of those two years were better, since I don't consider those years great for trance in any way. |
Beautifully said!!!!
Could not agree with you more.
More imporantly people need to let go of the past and embrace the future.EDM was always about letting go of the familar to embrace the new; this to me was the beauty of EDM and differiating feature.
The past was good but not as promising as the future. |
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| SYSTEM-J |
| quote: | Originally posted by Radagast
What's your point? I edited it two or three times. Oh I get it. I'm stupid because I thought of something else to say and didn't feel the need to make a new post. Clever. |
No you idiot, look at it. |
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| Radagast |
| quote: | Originally posted by SYSTEM-J
No you idiot, look at it. |
Since i'm an idiot and/or too tired to try and decypher my own posts, i'd appreciate it if you point out exactly what you think is wrong with my post or the editing thereof? Give me something more than "You're an idiot."
I need something else to argue about, since I don't necessarily disagree with you on that. |
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| SYSTEM-J |
| I was being pedantic, but your extended failure to notice you'd put "and" is what I was originally pointing out. You did shoot yourself in the foot with that first reply though. |
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| Radagast |
| quote: | Originally posted by SYSTEM-J
I was being pedantic, but your extended failure to notice you'd put "and" is what I was originally pointing out. You did shoot yourself in the foot with that first reply though. |
Ahahahah, you're right. I did put and didn't I. I just noticed it right now. That's what four hours of sleep will do to you. Good job, man. You won that battle. I did indeed type "and" instead of "an" and failed to recognize it more than once. Check mate. Uno. Jenga. Connect Four. You sank my battleship. |
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| SYSTEM-J |
| quote: | Originally posted by Radagast
Ahahahah, you're right. I did put and didn't I. I just noticed it right now. That's what four hours of sleep will do to you. Good job, man. You won that battle. I did indeed type "and" instead of "an" and failed to recognize it more than once. Check mate. You sunk my battleship. Connect four. Uno. |
Just be a bit less clumsy next time you call someone stupid. You're actual argument is no less subjective than listing good tracks. |
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| Radagast |
| quote: | Originally posted by SYSTEM-J
Just be a bit less clumsy next time you call someone stupid. You're actual argument is no less subjective than listing good tracks. |
So you're saying that it's best to answer someone else's opinion with your own opinion instead of some facts? |
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| SYSTEM-J |
| quote: | Originally posted by Radagast
So you're saying that it's best to answer someone else's opinion with your own opinion instead of some facts? |
No, I'm saying your so-called facts are interpreted purely through opinion, so not everyone may see it the same way as you. Exactly the same as listing tracks. |
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| Radagast |
| quote: | Originally posted by SYSTEM-J
No, I'm saying your so-called facts are interpreted purely through opinion, so not everyone may see it the same way as you. Exactly the same as listing tracks. |
Saying that Sasha - Xpander is a good track and it makes 99 better isn't a fact. That's all an opinion.
Saying something like...the first epic trance track was created in '98, so that's the worse year or epic trance exploded in '99 so that year was the worse for trance...those would be facts backed up with opinion (which is maybe the way I should have put it the first time), and much better than just listing a bunch of tracks. At least it contains more info and a decent point to be argued upon.
Now I just made the "facts" in that last paragraph up so don't go telling me that it's wrong. It's just an example. Now, i'll say again that I don't think there are any real facts that would differentiate '99 from '98. What was the first epic trance track anyway? Blue Fear? |
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| SYSTEM-J |
| quote: | Originally posted by Radagast
Saying that Sasha - Xpander is a good track and it makes 99 better isn't a fact. That's all an opinion.
Saying something like...the first epic trance track was created in '98, so that's the worse year or epic trance exploded in '99 so that year was the worse for trance...those would be facts backed up with opinion (which is maybe the way I should have put it the first time), and much better than just listing a bunch of tracks.
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No, saying Sasha- Xpander came out in 99 is the fact, saying that is a good thing is the opinion. Saying that the first epic trance track was worse overall for trance is also an opinion, but it also assumes that epic trance is bad, which is also an opinion. So what you're saying is no different:
Xpander came out in 99, so 99 was better.
Epic trance became common in 99, so 99 was worse. |
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| tribu |
Since the words good, better, bad, worse are all pretty much subjective (especially when discussing any type of art, including music), this thread is impossible to discuss without some or all of the statements being opinionated.
You can say, which year had better record sales? You can say how many live events were there each year? You can average out incomes of producers, talk about gate figures for live shows, even discuss figures for online radio and literal radio listeners.
But discussing which year is better based on music quality is impossible. |
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| SYSTEM-J |
| quote: | Originally posted by tribu
But discussing which year is better based on music quality is impossible. |
You can discuss it, but it's all opinion, so there's no way of saying a year is definitely better. But that is the nature of discussions, and why Radagast's argument is self-evidently ridiculous. |
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