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| Laushinameee |
| quote: | Originally posted by idoru
*Watches as this thread degrades into a pointless flame-war* |
I just think someone should actually point out why its so bad that this happens to max graham?
anyone with even one mp3 on their computer need not attempt an answer.
you ALL have mp3's on your computer, the only difference is that you dont spread it around. You still have them though, and this is what the artist is actually concerned about. So you shouldnt come on saying 'omg thats so bad' when youre sitting on a pc with a load of mp3 on it :haha: |
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| mike_stefan69 |
| quote: | Originally posted by Laushinameee
err
there is a slight difference i think. For a start stealing a car is a criminal offence... whereas breach of copright isnt. Downloading an mp3 doesnt even fall under breach of copyright and its a very grey area (different rules for diff countries etc...)
but anyway
like most of these websites... TA is 'associated' with a hub where users can download music, yet publicly everyone is very 'anti mp3'. :rolleyes: I just think its a bit hypocritical when an artist comes on complaining about something, then everyone agrees with him, when theyve probably all downloaded the track anyway.
Im sure you have a lot of mp3's on your computer, just as everyone else does. The only difference is that you have the wit not to include these tracks in any set / cd that you would produce. Just because you dont talk about it doesnt mean it doesnt happen. That was my point. |
i agree with laush here, theres a definited double standard on this web site when it comes to downloading music
i wont re-list an example of me asking a VERY famous producer who remixed a track for a VERY famous compilation for his track...only to be told to look on soulseek
kuffdam and plant had a track leaked and they just accepted it - credit to them for a restrained response
i wont even mention the people who ive seen in various hubs |
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| Laushinameee |
| quote: | Originally posted by sisterbliss
like he said, it hurts his release reputation
it's his work and he should be able to have control over it. if he hasn't released it yet he has the right to be mad at someone for using his work without permission. i'm sure if you were in max's shoes you'd be saying the same thing he is |
Yes of course, like i say im not condoning the releasing of illegal mp3, but i know there isnt a lot that can be done about it. It WILL happen. I just dont get why people can come on and say how its so terrible when they are sitting on a pc with probably hundreds of 'illegal' mp3. Its very strange. |
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| trancebrat |
| quote: | Originally posted by Laushinameee
As far as the artist is concerned, and you can see it from the horses mouth here, he is concerned with HIS work. I dont think max graham gives two s about this other guys career. He is bothered that a track which he hasnt released has been 'released' on the internet. The reasons for concern have also been outlined by him, for example he may not have totally finished working on the track, and its not ready for release in the state that its in.
the means by which people come across the track is of no concern. Its the fact that people have them in the first place. |
I like how you say that the reasons have been outlined by Max and then you say "for example" right after that. I think he is concerned where the track came from. He believes it was ripped from a set. BUT let's say it wasn't...wouldn't you care if someone that you sent a promo to released it? I think he would too.
This is exactly why I don't forward anything that is ever sent to me. |
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| idoru |
| quote: | Originally posted by Laushinameee
I just think someone should actually point out why its so bad that this happens to max graham?
anyone with even one mp3 on their computer need not attempt an answer.
you ALL have mp3's on your computer, the only difference is that you dont spread it around. You still have them though, and this is what the artist is actually concerned about. So you shouldnt come on saying 'omg thats so bad' when youre sitting on a pc with a load of mp3 on it :haha: |
Not to keep the flamewar going, but there's a difference between listening to sets and set-rips on your own personal computer, and throwing reconstructions into a mix and claiming that it's on vinyl and that you're an actual DJ. |
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| flavdave |
| quote: | Originally posted by Laushinameee
I just think it should be noted that all these people who are saying omg max thats sooo bad all have about 100000 mp3 on their computer. What makes it so bad that its a max graham track, just the fact that he came on complaining? There is so much hypocrisy here. |
It doesn't matter if it is a track from an upcoming producer like Haak, an established producer like Max Graham, or someone like Paul van Dyk who has a lot of money already...it is wrong for someone to use an illegal rip in a set in which they are trying to promote themselves as a dj. Who knows what that guy's motives are for posting his sets. It is not that unlikely to think that he might be doing it to get his name out there considering there are a few representatives from online trance radio stations checking out the boards for new dj talent.
I don't know how Max feels about using mp3s for personal use, but I don't see any problem with it so long as you support the artist by buying the vinyl, purchasing a cd on which the track appears, or paying to see that artist live. But when you are using an illegal rip of a track to promote yourself, then I definitely think a line has been crossed. |
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| Frase |
I should of put money on it, i knew some in half wit would start the whole 'It's the producers at blame' line.
Guys this isn't about standards of users on here.
This is about a producer whose music is out there and some guy is using the producers hard work (which he hasnt paid to legitmately use) to promote himself. |
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| Laushinameee |
| quote: | Originally posted by idoru
Not to keep the flamewar going, but there's a difference between listening to sets and set-rips on your own personal computer, and throwing reconstructions into a mix and claiming that it's on vinyl and that you're an actual DJ. |
Yes i totally agree. I think its something to do with intelligence. We all have mp3 but most have the intelligence not to spread this fact around too much like this guy did. By all means laugh at him for being an idiot, but DONT say how its so terrible that its happened, because youre all sitting on pc's with mp3.
I bet there is someone in this thread with the max graham track in question on their pc, yet still saying how bad that is. :haha: |
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| Laushinameee |
| quote: | Originally posted by Frase
I should of put money on it, i knew some in half wit would start the whole 'It's the producers at blame' line.
Guys this isn't about standards of users on here.
This is about a producer whose music is out there and some guy is using the producers hard work (which he hasnt paid to legitmately use) to promote himself. |
Ive not blamed the producer at all. In fact ive consistently said how there is probably nothing the producer can do to stop this kind of thing from happening.
Im just amused by people saying how bad it is when they are all guilty of having mp3 on their pc. |
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| sisterbliss |
| quote: | Originally posted by Frase
I should of put money on it, i knew some in half wit would start the whole 'It's the producers at blame' line.
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you were spot on
now, enough of this for me |
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| mike_stefan69 |
thats the point
happens all the time you just have to deal with it
im sure the kids starving in rwanda arent very happy about the fact theyre starving are they?
its not ethical to use it in a mix, and the guy is a retard for doing so
but its 2004, things like this happen all the time
you dont see pvd moaning about all the reconstructions and bootlegs of his tunes that are made? if anything it provides free advertising
and suddenly this max graham tune that was hitherto not spoken about gets mentioned by everyone. you couldnt get better advertising if you tried |
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| Frase |
| quote: | Originally posted by Laushinameee
Ive not blamed the producer at all. In fact ive consistently said how there is probably nothing the producer can do to stop this kind of thing from happening.
Im just amused by people saying how bad it is when they are all guilty of having mp3 on their pc. |
Your quick to right everyone off arent you.
I have about 30-40 mp3's on my pc. However these are legitimately purchased from legal download sites or come straight from the producer direct.
The only form of what could be classed as illegal is mix sets. But i dont see them as bad as such as your not having the full track (i dont really need a full track to tell me if i like it or not) I don't agree with downloading illegal mp3's either hence why all the mp3's i have are legitimate.
But lets point it out bright spark, its not the file format its the legitimacy of the content on that file ;) |
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