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If I'm only buying one PvD album... (pg. 4)
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| Laushinameee |
Paul van Dyk is German, his roots are in techno. He has always had the techno influence in the tracks he makes. He was originally motivated to make music because he wanted to combine old 'KKK' techno with stuff like New Order would make.
Its the same with most people who say they are 'PvD fans' and then they listen to his fritz show and say 'omg i hate all this crap' - If you dont get PvD's harder & different sounds other than trance then you dont understand PvD properly as this is so fundamental to what he is about as an artist/ dj. |
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| Dave Piazza |
| quote: | Originally posted by Laushinameee
Paul van Dyk is German, his roots are in techno. He has always had the techno influence in the tracks he makes. He was originally motivated to make music because he wanted to combine old 'KKK' techno with stuff like New Order would make.
Its the same with most people who say they are 'PvD fans' and then they listen to his fritz show and say 'omg i hate all this crap' - If you dont get PvD's harder & different sounds other than trance then you dont understand PvD properly as this is so fundamental to what he is about as an artist/ dj. |
From the interviews I saw with PVD this was my understanding of him ( please correct me if im wrong):
He grew up in Germany as a young man heavely influenced by Detroit Techno. Not becuase he liked it but becuase this is what the East German regime allowed them to listen too. He said he knew other music existed but because of communist rule they werent exposed to anything else. He called this "bull" everyone was listening too. He than said he got inspired and interested in music when he heard the smiths and new order. Bands I love . Bands you would call more trancy rather than techno if anything !! I than thought PVd hated that hard banging techno becuase 1) he liked new order and the smiths 2) called the detriot techno bull 3) heard his productions and they classified them as trance rahter than german techno.
I thought PVD was popular in Germany as a DJ becuase unlike other German DJs pushing the harsh techno sound he was pushing something more melodic. Again I never heard his sets just assumed from his interviews, cds I owned etc.
Where did I go wrong cuz obviously this isnt the PVD I hear now. |
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| Dave Piazza |
you mentioned trying to understand PVD.
It seems so difficult to understand the music he is trying to push forward when one day I hear his sets and its hard techno than the next day on fritz hes playing prog./trance/ house/ etc. Than another day he produces a trance album.
Its like hes all over the place. As a PVD fan of his production work is just confusses me to hear him play tunes that are total opposites.
IMO this is frustrating becuase I really want to be a PVD whore but cant really understand what hes tryng to do or what to expect from him.
But I stress his constancy in his production work. It is there that I thought I heard a sound he was trying to push forward. But as I said before I dont hear it in his sets. |
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| Laushinameee |
youve got your story a bit mixed up :haha: Commies dont have some secret love of detroit techno, Germans in the east werent allowed to listen to ANY western music. Paul listened to UK music though.
When he started out djing all the djs in berlin were pushing detroit techno. I think he hated the way that everyone was doing the same thing & tried to do his own thing. But hes German, he likes his kickdrums & he likes his techno. Why do you think he 'reworks' badly produced trance tracks to give them a harder drum?
What is misleading is the way that the sound hes developed has been latched onto in 98/99 by ty dutch djs. Now everyone says 'PvD = a trance dj' and compares him to Armin / Tiesto / Ferry. This is total bull. Paul's contemporaries have always been Sasha, Nick Warren, Sven Vath, Laurent Garnier, Jam & Spoon etc. Hes just getting compared to the wrong people & getting looked at from the wrong angle. This is why 'trance fans' always have difficulty with him, hes not a 'trance dj' in the Armin ASOT definition of the word, which is the most common definition nowadays. |
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| Laushinameee |
| quote: | Originally posted by Dave Piazza
Its like hes all over the place. As a PVD fan of his production work is just confusses me to hear him play tunes that are total opposites.
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But again you look at it through the eyes of an Armin/ Tiesto 'trance' fan. PvD isnt a trance dj like them. He plays records that these guys would never touch. This is what PvD is about, just playing all the music that he likes, not just a really narrow style like ASOT Trance. |
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| Dave Piazza |
| quote: | Originally posted by Laushinameee
What is misleading is the way that the sound hes developed has been latched onto in 98/99 by ty dutch djs. Now everyone says 'PvD = a trance dj' and compares him to Armin / Tiesto / Ferry. This is total bull. |
explain a bit further ( examples etc.)
| quote: | Originally posted by Laushinameee
This is why 'trance fans' always have difficulty with him, hes not a 'trance dj' in the Armin ASOT definition of the word, which is the most common definition nowadays. |
what do oyu mean by ASOT definition. I hear this used alot but I dont know that means. Please explain this a bit futher too ( please be detailed) |
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| Sand Leaper |
| How come noone mentions Zurdo? By far his best recent release, and probably what Reflections would've sounded like if Paul hadn't decided to try crossbreeding his sound with pop music. |
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| Dave Piazza |
| quote: | Originally posted by Laushinameee
But again you look at it through the eyes of an Armin/ Tiesto 'trance' fan. PvD isnt a trance dj like them. He plays records that these guys would never touch. This is what PvD is about, just playing all the music that he likes, not just a really narrow style like ASOT Trance. |
PVD was the very first DJ I was introduced too. I did not look through him in terms of tiesto or armin. As I said I bought his cds and became interested in him. I than soughtout more info about him and read his bio. After reading his bio ( which I described to you) and listening to his production work I assumed that PVD was this DJ that produced and spun beautiful music (i.e. Out There and Back). However, I soon discovered that my intial impressions where wrong when I began to listen to his live sets and see him perform live. Again I stress that I was not trying to compare him to any other dj but rather trying to understand him.
Would you agree with me when I say this comment:
All sucessful DJ produce and push a sound forward. For example, Schulz has a distict sound he pushes, as does Sasha, as does Armin, as does Tiesto, etc. You hear a tune or a set and you say immedietely that is so dj [fill in the blank] sounding. Thus this is what makes them special and others who copy it obvious to others.
In that sense what is the sound that is "PVD". I thought is was the trancy songs like Thats life , TIme of Our Lives, Nothing But You, Togther we will concquer. But he doesnt push this sound in his sets. Unlike say markus, sasha, armin, tiesto, ect. There is no constitency. Please explain this to me. |
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| Dave Piazza |
| quote: | Originally posted by Sand Leaper
How come noone mentions Zurdo? By far his best recent release, and probably what Reflections would've sounded like if Paul hadn't decided to try crossbreeding his sound with pop music. |
another example of a PVD work with is a total deviation from his "german roots". I even bought the sound track from the movie and all his work is trancy here too. Again another example to prove my point. |
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| SYSTEM-J |
| Perhaps people like both his productions and his sets because they are not narrow-minded, and enjoy different styles of music? |
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| Dave Piazza |
| quote: | Originally posted by SYSTEM-J
Perhaps people like both his productions and his sets because they are not narrow-minded, and enjoy different styles of music? |
Im not being narrow minded. well I hope not. but please read my post above yours and you see my questions. AS a PVD fan i find it hard to believe some can like the trancy stuff yet than enjoy the detroit techno stuff.
for example: you like zurdo but than like junk project. this to me makes no sense |
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| Sand Leaper |
| quote: | Originally posted by Dave Piazza
another example of a PVD work with is a total deviation from his "german roots". I even bought the sound track from the movie and all his work is trancy here too. Again another example to prove my point. |
Try to look past the sound he is known for and its corresponding releases. There are plenty of productions that show where Paul came from soundwise, DFM - You Like That (Slap 'n Tickle Remix) or Rammstein - Ich Will (Vandit Mix) to mention some. The hard rhythms on Visions Of Shiva - How Much Can You Take? (Physical) compared to its melodic sensibilities is a good example of his influences too.
In his DJ sets you can clearly trace the influences in question as well, just have a look in the PvD tracklist archive and you'll see. |
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