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| DJ Mikey Mike |
| quote: | Originally posted by Dave Piazza
Please answer my questions PVd fans. Help me understand PVD. |
I really cba to read all that, but my advice would be to listen to his Fritz show. And I don't just mean a one off show, I mean properly follow it for a few weeks. Don't take this offensively but are you quite new listening to electronica? |
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| Dave Piazza |
| quote: | Originally posted by Sand Leaper
Not really from what I can gather. You ask why the sound you've come to expect from his albums isn't what you're getting when you see him as a DJ. Well, the only reason I can think of is that Paul likes all types of electronic music, not just trance. While this doesn't shine through as much on his albums, you can still gather as much from a lot of his earlier material, like I posted earlier.
As for this "distinct sound" you're on about, I think it's easy to hear that it's Paul playing compared to other DJs, for instance due to his reworks and the fact that he almost always plays much faster than the norm. The fact that he plays so many different musical styles in his sets does not detract from that. |
thanks you answered a few of my quesitons.
but when you describe his "distinct sound" you did not give a descriptive understadning of what to expect from him as a DJ. playing records fast is not a "distinct sound". |
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| sandstorm03 |
| quote: | Originally posted by Dave Piazza
let me just point you to the question :)
Would you agree with me when I say this comment:
All sucessful DJ produce and push a sound forward. For example, Schulz has a distict sound he pushes, as does Sasha, as does Armin, as does Tiesto, etc. You hear a tune or a set and you say immedietely that is so dj [fill in the blank] sounding. Thus this is what makes them special and others who copy it obvious to others.
In that sense what is the sound that is "PVD". I thought is was the trancy songs like Thats life , TIme of Our Lives, Nothing But You, Togther we will concquer. But he doesnt push this sound in his sets. Unlike say markus, sasha, armin, tiesto, ect. There is no constitency. Please explain this to me |
I dont think Markus/Armin have any style, they borrow others...
Paul has always had his own stlye, own vandit style of tracks ONLY he plays. Nu-NRG, Second Sun, Junk Project, Marcos, Marc van Linden, E-Craig, Donald & Giles(alternate/project medusa) John Askew and he is the only dj that dares to mix thoes with trance like chicane, aalto/super8, thrillseakers and so on...
you should find
199206xx - Paul van Dyk - @ Dubmission
1993-02-27 Kid Paul - Paul van dyk Live @ clubnight classic
and listen to them |
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| flavdave |
| quote: | Originally posted by Dave Piazza
IMO this is frustrating becuase I really want to be a PVD whore but cant really understand what hes tryng to do or what to expect from him. |
Why? If you don't like his sets then you don't like his sets. No big deal, you still have his cd's which you enjoy. Instead of saying "explain this to me PVD fans" or "answer my questions" why not enjoy what you like and don't try to force yourself into becoming a "PVD whore." |
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| flavdave |
| Oh yeah, Seven Ways is my recommendation to the original thread starter. |
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| Dave Piazza |
| quote: | Originally posted by DJ Mikey Mike
Don't take this offensively but are you quite new listening to electronica? |
No Ive been listening to dance music since I was 12. I am now 21. Im not an expert but I dont think Im a noob either. I just had this question about PVD that I though you die hards would know more about.
But Ive been listening to PVd since 1999. I have 56K inet connection so I never could download his sets. I just listened to his cds. I got much more involved into trance/prog/etc. once I got decks.I soon began to follow labels and artists, follow tracklists, follow djs more closely, etc. which was about 8-9 months ago. before I was just buying mix cds, passive listener, typical clubber. Now that Im dove into trying to be a DJ Ive substanially increased the time, effort, and money I spend on dance music. It really has become a passion.
I dont really listen to trance shows online since I have a ty 56K online connection + Im really bad at listening to something online at a specific time. Ive know about Fritz for about 1 yr. but never made an attempt to listen to it.
Fritz is a radio show. Just like ASOT. IMO its no reflection of the DJ. Its cool to listen to but it can not be used as a measure to define ones style. I think PVD's mixes and production are a much more accurate guage. this is why I ask why the divergence in style. |
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| Laushinameee |
no one can help you to understand his sound but yourself. Listen to everything hes ever produced remixed from 93-present day, and start to follow his playlists closer if you want to understand his sound, hes the most broadcast dj around so its not that difficult. You cant understand an artists music by reading words that people type up on this screen, you have to go and do it for yourself. But if you have a preconception that a dj who plays Junk Project alongside Amiel is 'inconsistent' then you will never understand Paul van Dyk or any form of music properly.
I think there is a whole section of his sound that you already seem to dislike. Unfortunatley for you this part of his sound is really really fundamental to what he is as an artist and a dj, so if you dislike it then why force yourself to listen to him? ASOT & GDJB will be more suited to your taste. |
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| flavdave |
| quote: | Originally posted by Laushinameee
But if you have a preconception that a dj who plays Junk Project alongside Amiel is 'inconsistent' then you will never understand Paul van Dyk or any form of music properly. |
Good point. Dave, I think you might be confusing "inconsistent" with "diversity." |
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| Dave Piazza |
| quote: | Originally posted by Laushinameee
ASOT & GDJB will be more suited to your taste. |
But I dont like these shows either.:D
seriously I dont like the concepts of the shows.
It would be better for me to just sample tunes in a record store than to sit through an two hours of ASOT. Thats a cool show if your not a DJ ( which I assume its meant to be for) but for me I have access to all those tunes and and quickly sort out the cheese and gems. its innovative cuz the play new tunes but agian I dont like ALOT of the new tunes they usually play. Plus Im not to hot for armin sets. I like him live in a club but he doesnt do it for me on the radio. I praise him becuase he is the friendliest DJ in th biz and like PVD knows how to work a crowd. But I rarely if ever tune in.
I rarely tune into GDJB. I just have a Cd of Markus live thus why I like him. However the sound is just getting boring now. No disrespect, Markus is an excellent DJ but every wannabe DJ is pushing this sound now. GDJB really is an extentsion of every newbie dj set.:stongue: It also is an extension of ASOT but for prog. Again, I dont need to waste my time listening to some DJ play new tunes when I could just go to the record store and sample them myself. I like Markus but his sets are not impacting me like they were 2-3 months ago.
Like I said before I really love PVD because he was the first DJ that impacted me emotionally via his work. I just thought all us PVD fans were the same. This is what Im trying to find out |
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| Dave Piazza |
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Laushinameee
But if you have a preconception that a dj who plays Junk Project alongside Amiel is 'inconsistent' then you will never understand Paul van Dyk or any form of music properly.
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I find the inconsistency in the production compared to his live dj sets.
I always thought an artists production was a reflection of ones taste. IF PVD produced hard trance than I would say "ok pvd likes hard too" but I find it deceiving.
For example say I produce 5 cds in the past 10 years. All the cds are trancy. I also do alot of remixes of the past 10 years as well. Those remixes are trancy too. Wouldnt you expect me to build my set around trance rather than hard techno than as a DJ since I clearly have shown I like trance? This is the fundemental question. PVD shows interest in trance through his productions but builds his sets around hard techno. |
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| Laushinameee |
| no a lot of PvD fans are 98/99 trance wonders who i dont think will ever REALLY understand him as an artist. PvD attracts even more clueless followers than Armin and Tiesto do. This is just a side effect of being popular i suppose. |
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| Laushinameee |
| quote: | Originally posted by Dave Piazza
| quote: | Originally posted by Laushinameee
But if you have a preconception that a dj who plays Junk Project alongside Amiel is 'inconsistent' then you will never understand Paul van Dyk or any form of music properly.
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I find the inconsistency in the production compared to his live dj sets.
I always thought an artists production was a reflection of ones taste. IF PVD produced hard trance than I would say "ok pvd likes hard too" but I find it deceiving.
For example say I produce 5 cds in the past 10 years. All the cds are trancy. I also do alot of remixes of the past 10 years as well. Those remixes are trancy too. Wouldnt you expect me to build my set around trance rather than hard techno than as a DJ since I clearly have shown I like trance? This is the fundemental question. PVD shows interest in trance through his productions but builds his sets around hard techno. |
But what is so hard to understand about PvD playing techno, hard trance, house, tech house, electro & trance? He has always done it from the very beginning of his career he has never been a one genre dj. Maybe he is more known for trance because of his most popular work but you need to look past the obvious things. I dont have any problem understanding it and I know plenty of other people who 'get' it too. Im not quite getting what it is that you dont understand so im not really the best person to be trying to give an answer maybe. What you stated above as 'the question' isnt a question so I can not answer it! |
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