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Should they just cancel the dj mag top 100? (pg. 7)
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| Dave Piazza |
| quote: | Originally posted by töbias
In the world we live in you will always get a trade off between quality and success. Sure the coffee you might drink at the little Italian deli around the corner might be much better than the one you get at Starbucks, but Starbucks is sure better at marketing. There is a place in the world for everything and everybody.
A DJ might spend all his/her money on promotions and marketing and creating the biggest profile in the world, and most likely they will sell a load of records and get crowds to gigs. But this will only work in the short term. It won't be long until they are found out to be , or a someone that is much more talented tears them a new . Even so the marketed plastic DJ will probably still be around in the top 10 forever.
But to bitch about these details is to forget to look at the bigger picture. The Top 100 DJs competition is not for the knowledgable edm lovers, they already know who their favorite artists are and don't need to be told my some magazine. Its for the lovers of rock music, its for the kids that have just turned 18 or 21, its for the person just developing a love for dance music. In an instant they can get a grasp of the big names in the industry, buy some of their albums, brag to their friends, become mini experts, become snobs, buy tickets to gigs, buy their own records.
This probably pisses of the edm elitists who think that you should not be told who the top 100 DJs are you should sit on the net for 25 hours a week, listen to thousands of records, follow tracklists, to get such an understanding. But they fail to realise that nto everybody can do this and the easier you can make people experts the more likely that they will spend money and this helps everybody.
I am an artist, and I disagree with your idea that art cannot be advanced under business models. If it couldn't then we would never hear music or see art. The artist needs to promote themselves, make contacts, take some risks, spend some money; and this my friend is BUSINESS. |
Excellent Post. |
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| kron |
| rofl. you guys talk as if you guys know all the djs in person. little did you know that most of them do not despise each other. they may dislike certain things each others do, but they usually respect each others. except some djs who have their own grudges. but if you are talking about the truly skilled ones, maybe they despise trance djs. and whoever said skilled = scratching/mixing with long transitions or 20 tracks in an hour. no offense but that's the most ridiculous bull i've heard. many people would like to hear more of the track in a compilation than only 3-4 mins of it. and most djs would like to have most of the track played in their compilation (with exception for some tracks).. i don't think this discussion is going anywhere and i'm not trying to defend trance as i'm more into breaks now. but i hope most of you would know your roots, and in quite a lot of cases, it'd be trance. not telling you to love it forever regardless how '' it gets. but really, the world would be nicer if you simply ignore the genre you don't like if you really can't show any respect to it. |
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| torontotrance |
| more deejays hate one another than you realize. Ask Derrick May, why about 8 producers want to beat his ass in because he blacklisted them from detroit. Ask Richie Hawtin, why he and Dave Clarke always have to get into fistfights, when they are around each other. |
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| kron |
| quote: | Originally posted by torontotrance
more deejays hate one another than you realize. Ask Derrick May, why about 8 producers want to beat his ass in because he blacklisted them from detroit. Ask Richie Hawtin, why he and Dave Clarke always have to get into fistfights, when they are around each other. |
sorry for my ignorance.
but is there really a genre hate going on as bad as every TA says among djs? the last few breaks djs i saw all appreciate trance to a certain extent. basically what they said to me is there are certain elements they like from it (obviously the better productions) even though they said they won't spin it for various reasons. as for what breaks djs i refer to, they were hyper, phil k, luke chable, plump djs.. mainly those |
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| Radagast |
| quote: | Originally posted by kron
and whoever said skilled = scratching/mixing with long transitions or 20 tracks in an hour. no offense but that's the most ridiculous bull i've heard. many people would like to hear more of the track in a compilation than only 3-4 mins of it. and most djs would like to have most of the track played in their compilation (with exception for some tracks).. |
I don't expect you to know what basic skills make a good DJ. If I want to hear more than 3-4 mins of a track i'll buy it. Otherwise I want to hear it skillfully used. |
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| flavdave |
| No, because people love lists no matter what is being listed. |
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| kron |
| quote: | Originally posted by Radagast
I don't expect you to know what basic skills make a good DJ. If I want to hear more than 3-4 mins of a track i'll buy it. Otherwise I want to hear it skillfully used. |
compilation is not a display of skills. if you read, the person who said he wouldnt buy a mixed album with less than 20 tracks in an hour. live gigs are chances for djs to display their skills. people expect perfect mixing in compilations but it's not a full out skill display, if it were, the crazy tricks and fx would have come in. and compilations are aimed to general public too, and not just people who know a lot about it. most people would like to have the full taste of the tracks. of course, that's only my own opinion. |
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| Clovis86 |
| I dunno. But DJ Boomer for #1 spot in 04' W0000T! |
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| Radagast |
| quote: | Originally posted by kron
compilation is not a display of skills. if you read, the person who said he wouldnt buy a mixed album with less than 20 tracks in an hour. live gigs are chances for djs to display their skills. people expect perfect mixing in compilations but it's not a full out skill display, if it were, the crazy tricks and fx would have come in. and compilations are aimed to general public too, and not just people who know a lot about it. most people would like to have the full taste of the tracks. of course, that's only my own opinion. |
It was me, and I meant at least 20 tracks in an hour on average in anything, mix album or dj set. Playing tracks end to end =! DJing. |
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| MarathonMan |
| My mate Sasha threatened to take my head off with his vinyl if I didn't vote for him, so I did! :wtf: |
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| Swamper |
It's funny, they claim last years results were only determined from 60,000 votes... So, I guess, if I have all the 40,000+ daily visitors see a popup that tells them to vote for someone that it would skew the results.
Imagine, Swamper debuts at #21, with 0 sets to his credit! :toothless
Disclaimer: Typing in the 3rd person is lame but fit into this post |
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| nwopper |
It's stupid, it's dumb to waiste all that money on a list like that. It's pathetic that dj's spam your mailbox full of 'Vote for me!' , 'Vote for me!'... What is this? American president elections? If it's going at this rate in a few years everything will be just as crazy as in the U.S. right now!
If Tiesto/Armin/PvD will make it to the number one spot, I will not start to like them more or something. I think only clubs use the DJ Mag-list as a standard to know which DJ's they have to book if they wanna lure in the crowd. Maybe that's the only confirmed purpose of this list.
But...I did vote.... So I've sinned a little bit. :eek: |
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