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| Massive84 |
| quote: | Originally posted by BadBadNeil
The Israelis aren't going anywhere, deal with it. They were given the land, it was approved. They were attacked, they won more land in multiple wars started against them, now the palestinians want it back. Multiple times since the 80's the palestinians have shown that they can not hold up to their end of the bargain by curbing terrorism. Every time there is calm and it appears that peace will happen some terrorist event occurs that derails the whole process. Perhaps if the militants would understand that their actions are not helping their people but only hurting them from regaining the west bank and gaza. |
who approved? the Palestinians? |
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| Spacey Orange |
| quote: | Originally posted by Cyrus King
What if the UN decided to partion half of america and give it to Suadi arabia? Im sure you would be so happy:rolleyes: |
ever hear of the texas? those guys are owned.:haha: |
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| BadBadNeil |
| quote: | Originally posted by Massive84
who approved? the Palestinians? |
The jews didn't just go there and take the land, it was given to them by the British government who had control of the territory. Sure palestinians lived there first but you can make this claim all over the world. Are you gonna say that none of the people in the United States belong here either because Indians where here first? The UN also recommended the splitting of the territory into Israel and Palestine.
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Following the defeat of the Ottoman Empire in World War I, the British assumed control of Palestine. In November 1917, the British government issued the Balfour Declaration, announcing its intention to facilitate the "establishment in Palestine of a national home for the Jewish people." In 1922, the League of Nations granted Britain a mandate over Palestine which included, among other things, provisions calling for the establishment of a Jewish homeland, facilitating Jewish immigration and encouraging Jewish settlement on the land...
The British concluded that they could no longer manage Palestine and handed the issue over to the United Nations. On November 29, 1947, after much debate and discussion, the UN recommended the partition of Palestine into two states _ one Jewish and one Arab. The Jews accepted the UN resolution while the Arabs rejected it...
The British mandate over Palestine officially terminated at midnight, May 14, 1948. Earlier in the day, at 4:00 p.m., David Ben-Gurion proclaimed the creation of the State of Israel and became its first prime minister. Longtime advocate of Zionism in Britain Chaim Weizmann (1874-1952) became Israel's first president. On May 15, the United States recognized the State of Israel and the Soviet Union soon followed suit.
The fledgling State of Israel was faced with many challenges. While fighting a war of survival with the Arab states who immediately invaded the new nation, Israel had to also absorb the shiploads of immigrants coming in daily to the Jewish homeland. Many were penniless refugees from Europe broken in body and in spirit. They needed immediate health and social services in addition to acculturation to their new home...
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| Massive84 |
| quote: | Originally posted by BadBadNeil
The jews didn't just go there and take the land, it was given to them by the British government who had control of the territory. Sure palestinians lived there first but you can make this claim all over the world. Are you gonna say that none of the people in the United States belong here either because Indians where here first? The UN also recommended the splitting of the territory into Israel and Palestine. |
your article says it
the Palestinians never accepted it.
But here is the Irony of all. UN gave them the land, but now Israel is abusing everything buy building walls, killing childeren and other people etc, and when the UN says something about it, they should be ignored.
Hypocrites. |
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| Trancer-X |
| quote: | Originally posted by Yoepus
Right! I too am a strong proponent of talking with people that want nothing less than the complete annihilation of you and your people. It works wonders! Highly recommended!!;) |
It's called diplomacy. Neglecting to use it has been the main reason why you people have been fighting for how many centuries now?
Yeah, butting heads together accomplishes what?
Rahameem Ram
was as sweet as a lamb,
so he always avoided
the rams' ramming-jam.
The other rams ran
to a place near the woods
where they'd ram one another
as hard as they could.
They’d then start stampeding
with all of their might
and keep butting heads
from the dawn till the night.
They fought with each other.
They wrestled and tumbled.
A scary event
was that ram-ramming rumble.
They kept up their ramming
till weary and worn.
Their hooves became scuffed
and their wool got all torn.
–But worst of all was
what they did to their horns.
For I do not know
if you’ve seen rams up close.
They’re proud, noble beasts
from their heads to their toes.
They look down at others
with insolent scorn
because they've been blessed
with magnificent horns!
These horns fill the rams
with a marvellous pride.
They wave them about
as they sway side to side.
They take special care
not to let them get scratched,
and make sure that each pair
is exquisitely matched.
If it didn't sound rude
I might say they were vain
when they polish their ram-horns
again and again.
And yet–when those rams
hold their big ramming-jams,
they batter each other
like…battering rams!
Through dust and destruction,
and pitiful bleating,
the rams give each other
a terrible beating.
It’s a horrible sight,.
Biff! Bam! Wallop! Wham!
There’s nothing as bad
as a ram-ramming jam.
And when it is over,
between stalks of corn
the whole field is strewn
with a harvest of horns.
Those eager young rams
are now beaten and bruised.
A few come out winners
–but all of them lose.
Just two bumps remain
where those great horns once stood.
They hobble back home
from that place near the woods.
Why do they do it?
I really don’t know.
It’s something they started
a long time ago.
Some think that they want
to impress pretty ewes.
But the ewes think they’re silly,
(and I think so too.)
They’d rather the rams brought them
flowers to chew.
Now the rams are downhearted,
their butting-heads ache,
But one ram is saddest,
for all of their sake.
Before it all started,
the rams were so mean.
They made nasty fun
of our sweet Rahameem.
"The most cowardly ram
that we ever have seen
Is that Rahameem Ram,
who won’t join the ram-jam!"
They taunted him cruelly
as jam-ward they ran.
But when the great butting-fest
finally was over,
Rahameem watched
from his small patch of clover.
He did what he could
to nurse swellings and cuts
from their heads to the bumps
on their sore butted butts.
These were the same rams
who’d shown such disdain–
yet Rahameem worked hard
to soften their pain.
And Rahameem Ram was
especially forlorn
at seeing his buddies
without any horns.
Even when all of the rams
had limped home,
Rahameem wasn’t yet
ready to roam.
And that is why he was
the only one ‘round
when that stranger slipped in there
without any sound.
One moment the ram
was alone, by himself,
the next he was facing
an odd little elf.
Completely dumbfounded,
he silently peered
at a tiny old man
with a marvellous beard.
That beard flowed forever
in sparkling swirls,
and two merry eyeballs
peeped out from the curls.
The man jumped about,
as his beard wagged and wiggled.
Then he flashed a bright grin
that made Rahameem giggle.
You've probably guessed
who this strange person was,
but Rahameem's head
was confused and a-buzz.
He was far too bashful,
and shy, and polite
to open his mouth
and just ask him outright.
The little man glanced
at the horns on the ground.
He wrinkled his forehead
then spun twice around.
Rahameem wondered.
He still couldn't tell he
had made the acquaintance
of old Uncle Eli.
Uncle Eli then spoke
in a voice warm and kind:
"I’m here on a mission.
I hope you won't mind.
I've wandered the earth,
searching lands near and far.
What I'm trying to find is
the perfect shofar.
Shofars, I must tell you,
in case you don't know 'em,
are horns that produce a fine sound
when you blow 'em.
They‘ll waken our souls
to be better next year,
and they're made out of rams' horns,
like these I see here."
Then quick as an arrow,
he winked and he smiled.
He swivelled about
and dove into the pile
of the horns that remained
from the ram-ramming jam.
He vanished from view
before Rahameem Ram.
From under the big pile of horns
could be heard
bumps, noises and grunts
(and occasional words);
but mostly, the sounds of the shofars:
–loud toots
that were shriller than tubas
but deeper than flutes.
A long time elapsed,
and then Eli appeared.
His eyes now seemed anxious
beneath that big beard.
"These ram-horns
do not make the right shofar noise.
They’re grating and angry
like mean little boys.
A real shofar sound
brings a tear to the eye.
It should tremble with feeling
and cause us to cry.
It makes us feel sorry
for bad things we’ve done,
so we’ll feel great compassion
for ev-e-ry-one.
I sense that nearby
there’s a shofar that’s right,
but I’ve checked out each ram-horn
with all of my might.
Oh where can that one perfect shofar
be hid?
I’ll have to keep looking"
--And that’s what he did.
Rahameem Ram
was still lingering there
when a tired Uncle Eli
came up for fresh air.
He seemed just about to give up–
but instead…
he pointed his finger
at Rahameem's head.
"Aha! Now I see it!
It was here all the time!
A shofar that 's gentle
and sweet and sublime!"
He jumped up and down
in exuberant joy.
Then he did a back-flip
like a happy young boy.
"You! You are a ram
who is gentle and sweet
from the tips of your horns
to the soles of your feet.
You care for all creatures.
You try to be kind.
A more worthy shofar
I could not hope to find.
"And so, brother Rahameem,"
Eli said slowly,
"I ask in a spirit
that’s humble and lowly.
Because I have seen
how good-hearted you are,
allow your horn, please,
to become my shofar."
I don’t know what you’d do
in Rahameem’s place.
A worried expression
passed over his face.
His head and his heart
were so terribly torn.
He now understood
that dilemmas had horns!
The poor ram was baffled,
confused and perplexed.
The ram-ifications
seemed very complex.
He pondered a long while,
his forehead all wrinkled.
His eyes first seemed sad,
then they started to twinkle.
In his heart he knew this was
the right thing to do.
At length he spoke up:
"Yes, I’ll give it to you!"
With a click of his heels,
Eli danced through the air.
You could see his eyes spark-l-ing
under his hair.
He laid his hand gently
on Rahameem’s top,
and he pulled off one horn.
(It just made a soft "pop.")
One day, if you happen
to pass through that place,
you might meet a ram
with a smile on his face.
That gentle young ram
is polite and well bred,
but only has one horn
on top of his head.
Some people might laugh
if they saw such a sight,
but he doesn't mind.
He is filled with delight.
Though a ram with one horn
might seem silly to some,
he's perfectly pleased
at the good deed he's done.
He's glad that in lands
close at hand and afar,
many people will gather
to hear his shofar.
So on Rosh Hashanah,
when you gather this year,
and the shofar is sounded
in tones loud and clear,
be ever so careful
to perk up your ears.
It should stir us to pray
that our sins be forgiven.
It’s the same sound we heard
when the Torah was given.
It was just such a ram
with the same shofar-horn
that Abraham found,
in a thicket of thorns
when he went up to offer
his cherished first-born.
That same trumpet sound
will bring joy to our lives
on the day
when our longed-for redemption arrives.
The shofar's sound calls us
to be true and kind,
to uproot the bad thoughts
that clutter our minds;
to stop being stubborn and mean,
and headstrong;
to pardon a person
who's done you some wrong.
If ever you feel
that that task is too tough,
that you can't be so righteous,
you're not good enough.
--When that's how you feel,
then say loudly: "I am going to be as good-hearted as Rahameem Ram."
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| .montecarlo. |
Arafat doesn't have leukemia: envoy
Last Updated Sat, 30 Oct 2004 16:29:37 EDT
CLAMART, FRANCE - Initial results of tests conducted on Yasser Arafat show he doesn't have leukemia as some of his officials had feared, the Palestinian envoy to France said Saturday.
Doctors examining the Palestinian leader in France have excluded "for the time being any possibility" he has the blood cancer, Leila Shahid told reporters.
The doctors still don't know, however, what is making him sick.
Arafat was admitted to a hospital southwest of Paris on Friday, two days after he collapsed at his West Bank compound and briefly lost consciousness.
Shahid told reporters Arafat's condition has improved since he arrived at the Percy Army Teaching Hospital in Clamart.
"He had a very good night's sleep and he woke up in a good mood and in good shape, and he feels generally better. His general condition is better."
The 75-year-old leader reportedly has a low platelet count, which prevents blood clotting and can indicate a range of illnesses, including cancer.
Arafat received a transfusion of platelets after being rushed to the hospital, which specializes in blood disorders and trauma care.
Appearing pale and weak, Arafat boarded a military jet and flew to Jordan early Friday morning, leaving the West Bank for the first time in more than two years.
He later landed at Villacoublay military airfield, then boarded a helicopter for a 15-minute flight to the hospital.
The decision to move Arafat came on Thursday after Israeli officials assured him they would not place restrictions on his travel. In past years, Israel had warned he wouldn't be allowed to return to the Palestinian territories if he left.
Aides initially reported Arafat was suffering from gallstones or a bad case of the flu. He's also shown symptoms of Parkinson's disease since the early 1990s. Israeli officials believe he may have stomach cancer.
The longtime leader has not groomed a successor despite heavy lobbying in recent years. If he is incapacitated, many analysts expect chaos to reign while rivals jockey for his job.
The executive committee of the Palestine Liberation Organization held its first meeting without Arafat on Saturday.
Arafat's chair at the head of the table was left empty. On one side was Prime Minister Ahmed Qureia – on the other, former Palestinian prime minister Mahmoud Abbas, also known as Abu Mazen.
Abbas, who led the meeting, is expected to temporarily take over as PLO chair.
Abbas wished Arafat a speedy recovery and said the Palestinian people still need him.
Written by CBC News Online staff
http://www.cbc.ca/story/world/natio...afat041030.html |
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| JM |
so what does all this say about France helping out Arafat?
Harboring terrorist? Helping them out?
ah what else is new :p
>JM< |
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| Palestinian |
| quote: | Originally posted by DJ-Kreing^^
Well guess what, things change…The Palestinians might have lived on this land back in 1948 but this land didn’t really belong to them, it was under the British mandate at the time. And then Israel got its independence which was approved by the majority of countries members of the UN.
And since then this land belongs to the Israeli people and the Israeli state, and any Palestinian who will try to claim it as his own will get his ass kicked, deal with it. |
The land didn't belong to us? What, just like the land didn't belong to the Native Americans when it was under the "european colonial mandate"? The Natives fought for their land and now they're almost extinct, and we're doing the same because it's human nature to fight until you're either free or dead, and if we die then so be it, that's our mentality so Israel has to in deal with it not us. We don't give a rat's ass what happens to us as long as we keep fighting for freedom, remember "give me liberty of give me death", Thomas Paine. That line is stamped in our heads thanks to the American revolution. So any American that tells us otherwise is a in hypocrite. And yes, Israel was created by the UN but it won't abide by any of its resolutions so they're in hypocrites too. It's a disgusting little state that needs to chill and give us the vote or shut the up and give us a real state. And don't give me Barak's piece of garbage offer that he needs to shove up his own ass. |
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| Massive84 |
| quote: | Originally posted by JM
so what does all this say about France helping out Arafat?
Harboring terrorist? Helping them out?
ah what else is new :p
>JM< |
And what does it say about America that helps Saudi Arabia :rolleyes:. |
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| Cyrus King |
| quote: | Originally posted by Palestinian
The land didn't belong to us? What, just like the land didn't belong to the Native Americans when it was under the "european colonial mandate"? The Natives fought for their land and now they're almost extinct, and we're doing the same because it's human nature to fight until you're either free or dead, and if we die then so be it, that's our mentality so Israel has to in deal with it not us. We don't give a rat's ass what happens to us as long as we keep fighting for freedom, remember "give me liberty of give me death", Thomas Paine. That line is stamped in our heads thanks to the American revolution. So any American that tells us otherwise is a in hypocrite. And yes, Israel was created by the UN but it won't abide by any of its resolutions so they're in hypocrites too. It's a disgusting little state that needs to chill and give us the vote or shut the up and give us a real state. And don't give me Barak's piece of garbage offer that he needs to shove up his own ass. |
DJ kreilinglandstealer just got raped
HASTA LA VICTORIA SIEMPRE!!! |
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| Dunya |
[QUOTE]Originally posted by BadBadNeil
The Israelis aren't going anywhere, deal with it. They were given the land, it was approved. They were attacked, they won more land in multiple wars started against them, now the palestinians want it back. Multiple times since the 80's the palestinians have shown that they can not hold up to their end of the bargain by curbing terrorism. Every time there is calm and it appears that peace will happen some terrorist event occurs that derails the whole process. Perhaps if the militants would understand that their actions are not helping their people but only hurting them from regaining the west bank and gaza.
LOL, first of all in Palestine there are arab christians arab jews arab atheists this country belongs to a race called thepalestinians.
How can a religion have a state isn't that weird? The Deens from Denmark, the Germans from Germany the PALESTINIANs from Palestine
the jews from.....?
And How can Engeland give a land that don't belong to them?
There is no argument that can justified their inhuman attitude against the palestinians.I m sorry it is hard to tell the truth the
nazi's murdered 600000000 jews and not the Palestinians. |
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| BadBadNeil |
England received the land following world war I. Everything is outlined in the article I provided. This has happened all over the world throughout modern times. Are you going to say that texas isn't a part of the united states because the US received it by means of a war? This is true with numerous territories and islands across the globe.
The jews came from poland and germany and other countries...and didn't have a homeland after germany decimated them in world war II, you should know that clearly.
The religion doesn't have a state, it started with a religion but at the present time it is israel and there are israeli arabs and christians as you stated.
So what are you saying about the nazis? Are you saying that the jews should have owned Germany instead of Palestine because Germany deposed them? |
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