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Arafat Sick (maybe dying? lets pray) (pg. 4)
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| DJ-Kreing^^ |
| quote: | Originally posted by Palestinian
it's human nature to fight until you're either free or dead, and if we die then so be it, that's our mentality so Israel has to in deal with it not us. We don't give a rat's ass what happens to us as long as we keep fighting for freedom, remember "give me liberty of give me death", Thomas Paine. That line is stamped in our heads thanks to the American revolution. |
You see that’s the problem right there… The problem not only Israel has to deal with but the whole world. Barbaric Islamic extremists like yourself who think that way are the cause of all the troubles the world has and will have to deal with in the future.
I can only feel sorry for your stupidity, look at the world you are living in! its not ing year 570 when Muhammad was born. Things change, to bad some Muslims can't understand that. |
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| DrUg_Tit0 |
| quote: | Originally posted by Palestinian
The land didn't belong to us? What, just like the land didn't belong to the Native Americans when it was under the "european colonial mandate"? The Natives fought for their land and now they're almost extinct, and we're doing the same because it's human nature to fight until you're either free or dead, and if we die then so be it, that's our mentality so Israel has to in deal with it not us. We don't give a rat's ass what happens to us as long as we keep fighting for freedom, remember "give me liberty of give me death", Thomas Paine. That line is stamped in our heads thanks to the American revolution. So any American that tells us otherwise is a in hypocrite. And yes, Israel was created by the UN but it won't abide by any of its resolutions so they're in hypocrites too. It's a disgusting little state that needs to chill and give us the vote or shut the up and give us a real state. And don't give me Barak's piece of garbage offer that he needs to shove up his own ass. |
Well, if we're really going to be nitpicks, then I guess you could say that palestinians did slowly take over the land from the jews some thousand years ago, so it's only right that the jewish descendants now fight to get it back. |
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| Dunya |
| quote: | Originally posted by BadBadNeil
England received the land following world war I. Everything is outlined in the article I provided. This has happened all over the world throughout modern times. Are you going to say that texas isn't a part of the united states because the US received it by means of a war? This is true with numerous territories and islands across the globe.
The jews came from poland and germany and other countries...and didn't have a homeland after germany decimated them in world war II, you should know that clearly.
The religion doesn't have a state, it started with a religion but at the present time it is israel and there are israeli arabs and christians as you stated.
So what are you saying about the nazis? Are you saying that the jews should have owned Germany instead of Palestine because Germany deposed them? |
Oh sweetheart, The British goverment didn't owned the land they colonised the land. That is a big different.
Are you really that stupid or are you acting?
War? Wich war? You can call it a war when there is 2 equal powers
There wasnt and there isnt. A well armed army against a few militant groups with a few guns?
Like what is happening now a few little boys who are throwing stones
against well armed soldiers. It is just pathetic.
So how can you call it a war?
the jews are always trying to justified there ihuman acts against the Palestinians by saying we suffered so much in the holocaust.
And if you attack them on their racist nazionistic ideologie
they will say that you are an antisemitist. LOl I beg your pardon?!
That was the lowest discussion that I ever met.Had they put your brain inside a bird, it would have started flying backwards. |
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| BadBadNeil |
| When you start to use verbal insults the discussion is over with me. Have a nice day. |
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| NiteKiD |
| quote: | Originally posted by DJ-Kreing^^
You see that’s the problem right there… The problem not only Israel has to deal with but the whole world. Barbaric Islamic extremists like yourself who think that way are the cause of all the troubles the world has and will have to deal with in the future.
I can only feel sorry for your stupidity, look at the world you are living in! its not ing year 570 when Muhammad was born. Things change, to bad some Muslims can't understand that. |
people who think that way? that sounds like patriotism to me, those words would befit anyone who cares about their country
don't confuse the Palestinian liberation agenda with that of Al Qaeda who fight for a sick cause...Arafat has repeatedly condemned violent actions which do not help the Palestinian cause...it's obvious Muslims are very territorial and religous people, it was a bad idea to give the Palestinian land away in the first place. Much of the muslim animosity today was probably created because of that decision
i understand it from both the Israeli and the Palestinian standpoint though...it's a very difficult situation |
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| DrUg_Tit0 |
| quote: | Originally posted by Dunya
Oh sweetheart, The British goverment didn't owned the land they colonised the land. That is a big different.
Are you really that stupid or are you acting? |
Well, let's see, muslims didn't own any land in the middle east either, they forcefully attacked and overthrew local christian governments back in the days. So if you really want to push it back all the way, then you just might move to deserts of Saudi Arabia and leave only the small christian minority in towns and coastal areas. After all, they're the ones who originally owned them, right? Oh, yeah, and you should get muslims out of Turkey too and restore the Byzantine empire.
| quote: | War? Wich war? You can call it a war when there is 2 equal powers
There wasnt and there isnt. A well armed army against a few militant groups with a few guns?
Like what is happening now a few little boys who are throwing stones
against well armed soldiers. It is just pathetic.
So how can you call it a war? |
Well, it could hardly be classified as a full-scale war, I agree. Still, none of that violence would be necessarry if Arafat had agreed on Camp David proposals. You'd have your own free Palestine inside the pre-1967 borders. Infact, it would be the first time in history that Palestine would be a country, considering that earlier on it was only a few Egyptian and Syrian provinces.
| quote: | the jews are always trying to justified there ihuman acts against the Palestinians by saying we suffered so much in the holocaust.
And if you attack them on their racist nazionistic ideologie
they will say that you are an antisemitist. LOl I beg your pardon?!
That was the lowest discussion that I ever met.Had they put your brain inside a bird, it would have started flying backwards. |
Yes, I agree that some jews accuse people of being antisemitic whenever you disagree with Israeli policy. But as I've said earlier, your suffering is brought on to you by yourselfs, or by Arafat to be more precise. Demanding total annihilation of Israel is not something that Israelis are going to agree with, and once you guys get that through your heads, then you might actually come to an agreement. |
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| Flotser |
| quote: | Originally posted by Dunya
War? Wich war? You can call it a war when there is 2 equal powers
There wasnt and there isnt. A well armed army against a few militant groups with a few guns?
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you forgot about the wars of 1948,1956, 1967, 1973?
in 1948 israel was almost unarmed & attacked by 5 arab states together!!
| quote: | Originally posted by NiteKiD
Arafat has repeatedly condemned violent actions which do not help the Palestinian cause... |
lol :stongue:
so what? in the first day of current intifada he released all Hamas memebers from prison. he did practiaclally nothing to stop the terror. he is the orginazer of the Intifada.
and its funny that you hear that he condemes terror, but dont hear him calling for "1000 Shahids to Jerusalem". |
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| tathi |
| good thing Sharon is an exceptionally healthy human being :) |
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| Cyrus King |
| quote: | Originally posted by BadBadNeil
England received the land following world war I. Everything is outlined in the article I provided. This has happened all over the world throughout modern times. Are you going to say that texas isn't a part of the united states because the US received it by means of a war? This is true with numerous territories and islands across the globe.
The jews came from poland and germany and other countries...and didn't have a homeland after germany decimated them in world war II, you should know that clearly.
The religion doesn't have a state, it started with a religion but at the present time it is israel and there are israeli arabs and christians as you stated.
So what are you saying about the nazis? Are you saying that the jews should have owned Germany instead of Palestine because Germany deposed them? |
answer this question.. if Britain decided to partition half the US and give it to Suadi's for THEIR religious reasons.. would you like that????? |
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| Palestinian |
| quote: | Originally posted by DJ-Kreing^^
You see that’s the problem right there… The problem not only Israel has to deal with but the whole world. Barbaric Islamic extremists like yourself who think that way are the cause of all the troubles the world has and will have to deal with in the future.
I can only feel sorry for your stupidity, look at the world you are living in! its not ing year 570 when Muhammad was born. Things change, to bad some Muslims can't understand that. |
Zionism is an idealology that wants Jews to remain the majority in Israel by all means necessary, so you must first and foremost deal with your racist and sickening ideas. Also, you're the one living in the past if you think that the aquisition of territory by war is permissible in today's world, cuz it's not, and you can look under the Charter of the IGO that gave you your country. Therefore the occupation of the 1967 lands are illegal and have been for forty years. And by the way, I'm a practicing Christian so next time argue properly before you reveal your ignorance.
Britian colonized Palestine before allowing thousands of Jews to immigrate into it. No land is for anyone to give other than the inhabitants, which were the Palestinians. It doesn't make it right for Britain to give it to anyone. Moreover, in the 1948 war, Israel wasn't attacked by the Arab states (which were new, weak, inexperienced and lacking a coherent leadership) until after massacres and expulsions took place. Above that, evidence tells us that the Arab states were only interested in defending the territory that the UN gave to the Palestinians for an Arab state (about 40% of Palestine).
Regarding current issues, again, Barak's offer at Camp David was utter garbage. Arafat would have been crucified by his own people if he accepted that poor excuse for a state. When Arafat was presented the maps for the offer, he looked at one of the negotiators and said "Do you want to see my funeral tonight?" That's all I have to say for now. |
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| BadBadNeil |
| quote: | Originally posted by Cyrus King
answer this question.. if Britain decided to partition half the US and give it to Suadi's for THEIR religious reasons.. would you like that????? |
Of course I wouldn't like it, the only point I was making is that the Jews were given the land with the consent of the UN and from England which controlled the land via a war, which has happened througout the history of this planet. It happened here in the United States with the Indians, in South America with the Mayans and in the middle east, europe, and asia countless times through the many empires in history. People seem to think the Jews came in and took the land by force which just isn't true.
Here is a pretty comprehensive link outlining the history of the Jews from the time they roamed the land before the Persians before the Jews fleeing the land. http://www.eretzyisroel.org/~jkatz/ Does that mean that the Persian people deposed the Jews as they are being deposed today?
I am curious about your nickname. Does it stand for the Persian King Cyrus? I did a little history and King Cyrus was actually for freeing the Jews and having them rebuild Jerusalem.
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No sooner was Cyrus in undisputed possession of the civilized world of Asia than he sought to make all the subject peoples realize that a change had come, that they were to be aided and uplifted by kindness, not crushed by selfish cruelty. With this in view he restored to each city the statues of its gods, which the Babylonians had concentrated in their own capital. He also gave permission for several races, which had been held in a sort of slavery in Babylonia, to return to their homes. Most notable of the peoples thus freed were the Jews. Cyrus not only allowed them to rebuild Jerusalem, he authorized them to resume the worship of their own religion, and restored to them their sacred utensils of gold and silver. The richness of these vessels had led the Babylonians to preserve them as valued treasures. Now Cyrus gave back all this wealth to the Jewish priesthood.
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| Cyrus King |
| quote: | Originally posted by BadBadNeil
Of course I wouldn't like it, the only point I was making is that the Jews were given the land with the consent of the UN and from England which controlled the land via a war, which has happened througout the history of this planet. It happened here in the United States with the Indians, in South America with the Mayans and in the middle east, europe, and asia countless times through the many empires in history. People seem to think the Jews came in and took the land by force which just isn't true. |
England didnt control the land VIA "WAR"... they were colonizers by FORCE. If the native inidans happened to have the power to come and COLONIZE the US today.. and come into your home and say "my great great great great grandfather lived here in a tipee 450 years ago...get out i deserve it" YOU WOULD NOT LIKE IT!!!! IT IS THEFT!! Wouldnt you fight for it? If you saw your nieghbors and fellow americans getting killed, evacuating? Wouldnt you wnat to DEFEND your homeland?
Just becuase it happend in the US doesnt make it right. The Indians nearly got wiped out. They mayans were almost wiped out by Charles' forces from spain as well.
And yes.. the jews did take the land by force. There were terrorist groups led by Menachim Begin and other leaders of Israel
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Here is a pretty comprehensive link outlining the history of the Jews from the time they roamed the land before the Persians before the Jews fleeing the land. http://www.eretzyisroel.org/~jkatz/ Does that mean that the Persian people deposed the Jews as they are being deposed today?
I am curious about your nickname. Does it stand for the Persian King Cyrus? I did a little history and King Cyrus was actually for freeing the Jews and having them rebuild Jerusalem. |
Im very aware of King Cyrus. He was far beyond his time. what does that have anything to do with the discussion? |
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