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Not Again, Michael Moore! (pg. 2)
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| NeoPhono |
| quote: | Originally posted by MisterOpus1
I realize you consider yourself a Libertarian, and that it's not necessarily completely fair on my part to lump you in with the Conservative conglomerate. Nevertheless I do tend to think it's not too terribly unfair given your more often than not common stance with the Conservative line than with any other given party.
He doesn't essentially own any radio waves like Hannity and Limbaugh, which are pretty much plastered all over AM radio at all hours; he holds no tv shows like Hannity does, and he sure isn't a skinny little whiny toothpick who villifies and paints anyone who disagrees with him as "traitors" or "guilty of treason" like that loudmouth Coulter.
He is a loudmouth, he is obnoxious, he is quick with the facts, he does have an agenda which he readily admits at all times, but is he a freakin' spokesman for the so-called "Liberal movement"? Hardly. But tell me, given the far-right maneuvering we have seen and will continue to see of this Administration, can the same regard about spokesmen be said about Hannity, Limbaugh, and perhaps even Coulter for the present-day Conservative movement?
Uhh, yeah.
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No, you're dead right. Moore isn't on the radio airwaves, he commands attention on a much larger scale, that of American film and TV. Even though, besides CDs, I listen entirely to talk radio, the overwhelming majority of Americans do not. And the overwhelming majority of Americans do not watch the Hannities of the world as well. However, just about all of America does go to the movie theater, watch awards ceremonies, and listen to the banter of so-called celebrities. The second that Coulter starts making movies or has her face splattered on main-stream media I will jump on the anti-coulter ship as well. She has the same smug arrogance that Moore has, but in the opposite direciton and both of their cockiness (hubris) is equally untolerable.
I will also agree that I do tend to side with the more "conservative" population of our government, but I consider the terms "right-wing" and "conservative" to be less about political ideology now-a-days and more about religious or personal philosophy. That is why I tend to distance myself from those two labels. And with Moore being, in my opinion a borderline communist, I will disagree with what he says. That is not to mean I think he has every right to say it, but I'm tired of hearing it, and that too is my right. Now that we're seeing Moore continue his neo-fascist goal of re-educating (re:enlightening) the population although now conceivably more desperate than ever, I'm just sick to what lows he will stoop to now. |
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| Shakka |
| quote: | Originally posted by wolverine16
You're serious? Ann Coulter somehow got a law degree, probably because she had extra time to study since she never eats, but to the best of my knowledge, she has never made an intelligent argument. Limbaugh is possibly the biggest blowhard on earth, not to mention a total hypocrite. Moore has never made a movie that degrades fat people, but Rush has certainly been outspoken on drug addiction and by his standards for other people, he should be going to jail. And lastly, in any case, Michael Moore is not the poster boy for progressives in this country! |
Yes, I'm serious. Whereas someone like Coulter plays to peoples' intellect, a guy like Moore does nothing more than prey on people's emotions. He is like a scavenger in that regard. The scene in Bowling for Columbine where he stands there with that pathetic sad look on his face as Charlton Heston feebly limps back into his house is a great example. And as Neo pointed out above, Moore is a borderline communist and I do not subscribe to that point of view(As Sting eloquently sang about on the Dream of the Blue Turtles album of the late 80's with regards to Soviet communism, but alas I digress).
As far as Rush--he is outspoken about illicit drugs. His problem was an addiction to legal, prescription painkillers--not crack, heroin, or something else along those lines. Yes it is definitely wrong in his case, but it is not an apples-to-apples comparison. |
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| Dave Piazza |
Why don’t Americans read books about history, religion, and philosophy INSTEAD of watching T.V. and listening to bull talk radio?
This is the reason why America decided to keep a fool in the white house. Too much bull and misinformation has warped the American analytical process. |
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| policerobots |
| Nobody should care about Moore. The more people talk about him the bigger storm he stirs up. Without attention, he's nothing. |
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| JM |
| quote: | Originally posted by wolverine16
You mean TURN BACKWARDS! |
no not backwards... its been termed "conservative movement" or something like that. and i'm proud to have seen the light a few years back, and be a part of this movement. u see, i used to be kind of a lib before i actually gave thought to what really mattered to me...
>JM< |
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| MisterOpus1 |
| quote: | Originally posted by Shakka
Yes, I'm serious. Whereas someone like Coulter plays to peoples' intellect, a guy like Moore does nothing more than prey on people's emotions. |
Hmmm, I'll see your assertion there and raise you a
"I think we should invade their countries,
kill their leaders, and convert them to Christianity."
Damn, that's a pretty intellectually stimulating conversation right off the bat, ain't it?
You're not fooling anyone Shakka, and even if you are serious you really shouldn't be. Have you had a peak at her Treason book? That puts any of Moore's books and bold-face vitriolic assertions to shame. There's nothing stimulating about what she says, and especially HOW she says it. I put her much deeper in the pathetic extremist hole than I ever could Moore any day of the week.
| quote: | | As far as Rush--he is outspoken about illicit drugs. His problem was an addiction to legal, prescription painkillers--not crack, heroin, or something else along those lines. Yes it is definitely wrong in his case, but it is not an apples-to-apples comparison. |
You're really splittin' hairs here on this extremist, aren't you? So prescription drug addiction is different than illegal drug addiction? So illegally workin' doctors and illegally pushing prescription drugs is somehow different than illegal drug traffic?
Just say he's a ing blow hard hypocrite and be done with it already! |
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| Fir3start3r |
| quote: | Originally posted by Dave Piazza
Why don’t Americans read books about history, religion, and philosophy INSTEAD of watching T.V. and listening to bull talk radio?
This is the reason why America decided to keep a fool in the white house. Too much bull and misinformation has warped the American analytical process. |
Wow...there must be a lot of dumb people down there then |
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| Trancer-X |
| quote: | Originally posted by Dave Piazza
Why don’t Americans read books about history, religion, and philosophy INSTEAD of watching T.V. and listening to bull talk radio?
This is the reason why America decided to keep a fool in the white house. Too much bull and misinformation has warped the American analytical process. |
I think we have a winner here! Johnny, tell him what he's won!
Seriously though, I think you just hit the nail on the head with that post.
Sadly, the majority of us Americans are more concerned with our daily dose of fiction and sports than the reality of daily life. Instead of attempting to fix our problems, we would rather escape them with a hodgepodge of relatively insignificant diversions.
The coorporate news media is also guilty of exacerbating our problems as they really only regurgitate the mindless effluvium.
While I don't agree with Moore on many issues, I do feel that at least his sensationalized, Hollywood stylized pseudo-documentaries have encouraged people to delve deeper into the facts and irregularities that have occurred within the past four years.
Sometimes it takes a small shock to wake up the system.
There are still many of us who are less concerned with partisan politics and party affiliations. We are more concerned about the state of the Nation and the direction (or misdirection) which we are headed. |
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| Shakka |
| quote: | Originally posted by MisterOpus1
Have you had a peak at her Treason book? That puts any of Moore's books and bold-face vitriolic assertions to shame. There's nothing stimulating about what she says, and especially HOW she says it. I put her much deeper in the pathetic extremist hole than I ever could Moore any day of the week. |
Funny you should mention that. I actually bought it a few years ago when it hit the best seller list...I've never gotten past page 10. Maybe I'm just drawn into the headlights of the confidence she exudes when talking about liberals because my personal philosophy pits me against them, so I don't mind her ramble. And I do appreciate her sharp wit. Though I guess it's fair to say I need to read more of her writing to really tell you if I think she's on point or not. In any event, her beliefs do not change or influence mine--I just like to listen to her rail on about liberals.;)
| quote: | | You're really splittin' hairs here on this extremist, aren't you? So prescription drug addiction is different than illegal drug addiction? So illegally workin' doctors and illegally pushing prescription drugs is somehow different than illegal drug traffic? |
Not trying to split hairs, but even you must admit that there is a difference between crack and percoset. Like I said in my post--I'm not defending him, just pointing out the fact that there is a discernable difference.
| quote: | | Just say he's a ing blow hard hypocrite and be done with it already! |
OK, he's a loud mouthpiece of the right. I'm done with it, already! |
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| NeoPhono |
Balance people, Balance.
There is nothing wrong with watching TV or listening to radio as long as you don't do it all the time. I would say that if all you do is read books on philosophy and history you would be equally at fault, because you would be totally out of touch with today and the "real world." I ride my bike 10+ hours a week and race every weekend when in season, but I still like to sit around some days and have a cheeseburger. I read Nietzsche and Nozik :D , but I still find it entertaining to watch the WWE every once in a while. |
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| ierxium |
I used to watch the WWF, I don't know where that went.
Edit: I could care less about what Moore does. |
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| Shakka |
| quote: | Originally posted by NeoPhono
Balance people, Balance.
I read Nietzsche and Nozik :D , but I still find it entertaining to watch the WWE every once in a while. |
Nietzcshe!
But you're right about balance. Even my bad habits are healthy if I do them in moderation and balance them out with other things.;) |
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