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[OFFICIAL] the NYTA basketball thread (pg. 6)
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| Vlad |
Step 1: Get rid of Stephon Marbury
Step 2: Make Houston play (We're paying him a truck load, might as well make him work for it)
Step 3: Get some big men on that team. |
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| DJ_Lord |
houston sucks man, hes too old and hes not the same. theres no way in hell he'll make a good job as a starter.
i would never get rid of marbury though i would put him in the bench, marbury would be a good 6th man, but thats never gonna happen for marketing resons. he's the face of the team right now.
and they do need better 'big men', they all SUCK right now. |
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| Vlad |
Crawford is the starter, Richardson is bench man #1, Houston is bench man #2, but they need to make Houston play.
Marbury will never be on the bench, hes a point guard scorer, which is what the Knicks DONT need. They need a Jason Kidd style point guard, with 2 scorers down low. They dont need all-star's if they could get 2 big man to avg. 15 pts, 10 rebs/game - they will do fine.
Brown is gonna have himself a challenge on this team, cause its gonna be the 76ers all over again. Hes not gonna have Wallace, Wallace & McDyess down low, which will be a bit of an obsticle. |
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| DJ_Lord |
good so we agree, houston to the bench!
everybody needs someone like kidd man! marbury will never be on the bench because hes the face of the team not cause hes "good" which is obviously not true. |
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| verndogs |
houston won't be on the team anymore...
the knicks should be cutting him thanks to a clause in the new CBA. teams can cut one player from their team and they don't have to pay the luxury tax on his contract...however that player will still remain on the books :mad: :whip:
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/colum...marc&id=2113328 |
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| Vlad |
Whats the point in cutting him and still have to pay him... just make him play 15-20 mins a game.
| quote: | Originally posted by DJ_Lord
everybody needs someone like kidd man! marbury will never be on the bench because hes the face of the team not cause hes "good" which is obviously not true. |
Well Im just saying, they dont need a PG who's focus is on scoring. And I never said Stephon was good - personally I dont think hes all that great. |
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| verndogs |
| quote: | Originally posted by Vlad
Whats the point in cutting him and still have to pay him... just make him play 15-20 mins a game.
Well Im just saying, they dont need a PG who's focus is on scoring. And I never said Stephon was good - personally I dont think hes all that great. |
saving $$$ on the luxury tax and freeing up a roster spot. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe that the knicks will save around $40 million by releasing Houston
who knows if his knees will ever play again in the NBA :conf: |
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| Member of X |
| The rule is being called the Allan Houston rule by everyone in the league just to mention... |
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| verndogs |
here's an interesting article I found on hoopshype.com about Larry Brown's style
What to expect from Brown
by Eddie Johnson / July 29, 2005
| quote: | Larry Brown has done it again. He is the best coach of all time at getting out of contracts and then landing the job he really wants – this time in New York. I don't think there was any doubt that was the one he wanted and not an executive job with the Cleveland Cavaliers.
The New York Knickerbockers have become the next pit stop for Brown. He's already saying this is the final one. I am not buying it. This man loves to be wanted. He craves attention and – unlike most of us mere mortals – he is able to not only command it, but achieve it as well.
He is special. There will be no other coach like him. He is the godfather of a fraternity that makes sure everyone in his inner circle has a job. There are a few coaches that Brown does not control. Phil Jackson is one of them. But for the most part, if you look around the league, you will see a number of coaches that were tutored under Brown and rely on serious input from him on a year-round basis.
That's why he is so well respected among general manager types regardless of his ability to fall in love with another job while he is still under contract.
The Knicks are his patients now and they have been sick for sometime.
I can imagine right now that Brown is trying desperately to convince Isiah Thomas to shop Stephon Marbury after only one day on the job.
Why? Because I guess he does not want to put up with a player that stated he was the best point guard in the league despite a 33-49 record.
Brown hates me-first players. If you are not willing to play the right way, then you are a goner.
I played for Larry Brown two years with the Pacers and really had a chance to see his coaching genius. So here are 10 things Knick players need to get ready for starting in October.
1. Long and intense practices with a lot of stopping and starting so Brown can teach. Wear some warmups over your practice shorts so you can stay warm.
2. Brown will break down your attributes as a player and try to get you to change to his way. If you want to keep playing consistent minutes, I suggest you at least show that you will try to change – or else.
3. Honesty and frankness. He will look you in the eye and tell you exactly what he thinks of your game. Remember Knick players: He is the only coach in the league besides Phil Jackson and Pat Riley (if he coaches again) that can exert power equal to a superstar player. He couldn't care less about your feelings.
4. This was the most surprising part of Larry Brown. Hey, Knick players, don't miss many practices because Brown has a tendency to change offensive plays every few games. If he likes a play from an opposing team, he incorporates it into his playbook. The problem you will have if you miss practice is that he will give the new play the same number the old play had. So if you missed practice, you might be running the old play instead of the new one. That will get you to the bench in a hurry.
5. Constant barking to move the ball and to you if you are standing still for longer than three seconds. He loves players that can play without the ball. If you are to be successful on one of Brown's teams, you must be efficient by relying on your teammates.
6. Halftime rants – sometimes deafening. Brown is a human videotape machine. He remembers every single possession during a basketball game and never writes down notes. So don't think you are sneaking something pass him during a game. I had 12 coaches in my career and I never saw anybody like him.
7. The doghouse. Get use to it because everyone of you will visit it during the course of the season. If you don't believe me, go ask Reggie Miller. I saw Brown bench Reggie one time during a game without blinking. I spent about four straight games on the bench after averaging about 21 for three games prior to that. I still don't know what I did.
8. Show of emotion. This must be a Carolina thing. He will tell you at any time how much he loves you and two days later might want to ship you out. I say it's a Carolina thing because the first time I saw it was my rookie year when Carolina alum Phil Ford started bawling after missing a last-second shot to win the game. I have no problem with showing emotion, but it was the first game of the year!
9. This one is for my homeboy Zeke, who I consider one of the best general managers in the league. He will soon prove it. Lock your doors – especially after bad losses. Brown will want to trade someone that night. He is not averse to trading anyone at any given time and will chase Thomas home to convince him to do it.
10. Winning. Regardless of what you will have to put up with, Knickerbockers, it will eventually add up to wins. So be patient and enjoy the ride. It will be a ride you have not been on for a long while.
My prediction is the Knicks will make the playoffs this season based solely on the coaching of Brown. It's up to the players – especially Stephon Marbury – how far they go in the playoffs.
I can tell you one thing... Whether the players accept him or not, this is his team and he will do it his way.
Isn't that what godfathers do?
Eddie Johnson is a regular contributor to HoopsHype.com |
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| verndogs |
| quote: | Originally posted by Member of X
The rule is being called the Allan Houston rule by everyone in the league just to mention... |
and the Knicks decided to waive Jerome Williams insead of Allan Houston
why am I NOT surprised :rolleyes:
| quote: | Houston safe at home
Dolan ties keep Allan on Knicks
BY FRANK ISOLA
DAILY NEWS SPORTS WRITER
Allan Houston intends to retire as a Knick, but not for at least another two years.
The veteran shooting guard reiterated yesterday that he has no plans of retiring this season and fully expects to return from chronic knee pain that has limited him to 70 games over the past two years.
"I'm not going to retire," Houston said by phone. "I believe in my heart that I'm going to be back. It would be nice to play two more years here and get close to winning a championship."
Houston will earn $40 million over the final two years of his contract. The Knicks yesterday passed up an opportunity to release Houston and save $40 million in luxury tax, a decision that could have an impact on the future of Jamal Crawford. Instead, the Knicks released power forward Jerome Williams and according to the team - which broke from its policy of never revealing financial terms - it will save $21,317,000.
Garden chairman James Dolan was instrumental in sparing Houston, a player he has grown close to over the past five years. Isiah Thomas, the Knicks' president, played the role of the good solider yesterday when he said during a conference call that it was a "group decision" to keep Houston. In fact, Thomas feels that the hobbled Houston is holding the organization back. Last season, Thomas was quoted several times as saying that Houston should consider retirement.
Houston was the logical choice, although the Knicks have a number of players - Maurice Taylor, Malik Rose, Penny Hardaway - with bloated contracts that they have no use for. By releasing Williams, Thomas is forced to acknowledge that last summer's trade for Crawford is becoming more disastrous by the day.
Thomas acquired Crawford and Williams by trading away four expiring contracts to the Chicago Bulls. The Knicks would have been better served just keeping Dikembe Mutombo and Othella Harrington, two players who were more valuable to their respective teams than both Crawford and Williams.
Crawford's future in New York is now up in the air. With Stephon Marbury, Nate Robinson, Quentin Richardson and Houston all on the roster and coach Larry Brown looking to bring in a proven point guard, Crawford would appear to be the odd man out.
Trading him, however, will be difficult because Crawford will earn $40 million over the next five seasons and he's yet to prove he can be a contributing player for a winning team. Cutting Williams helped reduce the glut at power forward, but it doesn't begin to address the problems the Knicks have in the backcourt |
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| verndogs |
| So Allan Houston finally retired...as much as I hate the fact the MSG for brains owner James Dolan gave him $100+ million, I respect all that Houston did for the Knicks when he was healthy (especially that running bouncer in 1999 against the Heat) |
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| Vlad |
I think it will take Larry Brown a good year or 2 to make the Knicks a potent team again like they were in the mid-90's...
But I guess you can contribute their success in the 90's to the fact that Michael Jordan 'retired' for 2 years, one of those years being the year that the Knicks made it to the finals, to only be swept by the Rockets. |
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