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Ferry Corsten - Punk progressive? (pg. 4)
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| Radagast |
| quote: | Originally posted by Cobalt
Right, because Punk, Right of Way, and his Flashover remixes are electroclash. Give me a break. The only other artist who's ventured into the territory Ferry is right now is Tomcraft. |
It's either electroclash or trance. There aren't enough people making it or labels putting it out to warrant a new genre name. I think it's electroclash, and give me a break won't convince me otherwise.
| quote: | | PS - Don't turn this into an anti-anthem/epic argument or I'll see that you've completely missed the point. |
Since we're talking about electroclash I wouldn't know why that should happen. Besides, if I say something you don't like you're welcome to ignore it. |
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| Lephaid |
| yeah, electro is where I'd put it... |
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| tribu |
The argument presented for why this song is progressive wasn't very in depth.
Id like to see concrete examples, with times in the track given as an example of what you mean by saying Ferry is trying to use progressive elements.
I dont agree with you now, but your argument could easily swing my opinion, if you gave one with evidence, not buzzwords and genralities. |
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| Cobalt |
| quote: | Originally posted by Radagast
It's either electroclash or trance. There aren't enough people making it or labels putting it out to warrant a new genre name. I think it's electroclash, and give me a break won't convince me otherwise. |
I'm not arguing that there should be a subgenre name. Despite the fact that I use one for the sound, I explicitly said no one else needs or has to.
What I am arguing is your contention that Ferry's electro-tinged direction is somehow useless and creatively bankrupt. I've pointed out productions in this style that are different and unprecedented (save for Tomcraft), incorporating both electro and anthem trance elements, which I think is a fair counterargument.
Instead of addressing that point you've resorted to some unrelated semantics about something being "either electroclash or trance," and then using this arbitrary distinction to trash on Ferry's work. As far as I can tell, you're simply letting a grudge against him influence your opinion here. |
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| tc-fan |
| quote: | Originally posted by First Strike
Its prog for sure ,
Digweed ,Sasha ,Kleinenberg ,Cattaneo all the top prog dj are playing it heaps
I have never heard a trance dj play it so it must be prog......
:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :) |
how the hell its progressive just cuase Sasha is playing it...u sure know your music...sheesh |
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| beats and beeps |
| quote: | Originally posted by First Strike
Its prog for sure ,
Digweed ,Sasha ,Kleinenberg ,Cattaneo all the top prog dj are playing it heaps
I have never heard a trance dj play it so it must be prog......
:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :) |
hey sasha put felix da housecat on his involver album! Cyberwhore must be progressive!
Oh and when Klenenberg plays Murder was the Bass it become transforms into prog! |
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| Gordy |
| quote: | Originally posted by eRRaTiK
i class it as weird .
still like it though. |
FOR SOME REASON THAT MADE ME LAUGH:stongue: :stongue: :stongue:
and i agree with u |
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| Radagast |
| quote: | Originally posted by Cobalt
I'm not arguing that there should be a subgenre name. Despite the fact that I use one for the sound, I explicitly said no one else needs or has to.
What I am arguing is your contention that Ferry's electro-tinged direction is somehow useless and creatively bankrupt. I've pointed out productions in this style that are different and unprecedented (save for Tomcraft), incorporating both electro and anthem trance elements, which I think is a fair counterargument.
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What anthem trance elements? A breakdown? Breakdowns don't make trance. Neither Punk nor Rock Your Body have breakdowns longer than 45 seconds really, so they're not to excess as in some(or a lot of) anthem trance. A huge anthem hook? That makes anthem trance, but not everything with a large anthem is anthem trance. Lots of other music has breakdowns and catchy melodic hooks. Like synth-pop (or Hi NRG), Punk(the music), and electroclash which is based on those two. Where's the supersaw in ferry's electro-anthem trance? And then we have arpeggiation which all trance must have or else it isn't trance. That's why I said I was not sure about Punk--because of those little bits of arpeggiated chords throughout the track (I lean towards electroclash because it has more electroclash elements than trance elements). Not so with Rock Your Body however. At least I don't think I heard any arpeggiation in RYB...(Does any of that babble make any sense to you? None at all to me. Heh.)
Yet at this point I still don't believe Ferry Corsten melds trance and electro. I believe he makes electroclash. So it's not a new idea. It's been done before. Therefore it is basically creatively bankrupt. If he had made Punk in 1999 I might have called it creative. I don't like Ferry, but that's not why I don't think he's creative. I have perfectly valid reasons why I don't think he's creative. He does things that have been done already and executed with more quality. In my eyes someone is creative only when they do something for the first time or do something that has been done before, but with higher quality than those who came first.
---Off Argument---
Accordingly a lot of his listeners will tend to think it's something new and inventive because they've never heard of Larry Tee or Adult. or Fischerspooner(or Cybotron or Ryuichi Sakamoto or Man Parrish or Robotnick). It's Ferry Corsten and he's not doing the same thing that AVB or Tiesto or J00F or Markus Schulz or Sasha are doing, so it must be a new creative genius. At this point i'm repeating myself.
---Really Off Argument---
Award for most ingenious use of vocoder: Daft Punk - Harder, Better, Faster, Stronger |
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| DJ Mikey Mike |
| quote: | Originally posted by Az
it's ing electro, man
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I was going to make this exact same post :haha: |
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| Euphorica |
| if we like the song, who cares? |
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| First Strike |
| quote: | Originally posted by tc-fan
how the hell its progressive just cuase Sasha is playing it...u sure know your music...sheesh |
None of the djs I listed have ever played punk (to my knowlage anyway)
I was being sarcastic if you notice the :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
The point i was trying to make is that generally "trance" djs play punk & the "prog" dj's dont so it aint prog
...sheesh |
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