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What drugs do u do? (pg. 9)
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| Miss Bliss |
The Netherlands decriminalized possession and allowed small scale sales of marijuana beginning in 1976. Yet, marijuana use in Holland is half the rate of use in the USA. It is also lower than the United Kingdom which had continued to treat possession as a crime. The UK is now moving toward decriminalization.
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[Center for Drug Research, "Licit and Illicit Drug Use in The Netherlands 1997" (University of Amsterdam, The Netherlands: CEDRO, 1999; Netherlands Ministry of Health, Welfare and Sport, "Drug Policy in the Netherlands: Progress Report Sept. 1997-Sept. 1999 (The Hague, The Netherlands: Ministry of Health, Welfare and Sport, Nov. 1999); US Dept. of Health and Human Services, Substance Abuse and Mental Health Services Administration, National Household Survey on Drug Abuse 1998, 1999, and 2000 (Washington, DC: SAMHSA).
From 1972 to 1978, eleven states decriminalized marijuana possession (covering one-third of the US population) and 33 other states reduced punishment to probation with record erased after six months to one year. Yet, after 1978 marijuana use steadily declined for over a decade. Decriminalization did not increase marijuana use.
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[National Research Council, "Informing America’s Policy On Illegal Drugs: What We Don’t Know Keeps Hurting Us" (Washington, DC: National Academy Press, 2001), pp. 192-193.] |
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| dj_mdma |
| quote: | Originally posted by Omega_Blue
Zild is WAAAAAY off here. Lets think. Alcohol - Neurotoxic. Marijuana - not Neurotoxic. thats why you don't see commercials saying that marijuana kills brain cells. instead you just run over little kids on bikes when driving out of the drive thru. Alcohol - physically addictive. Marijuana - not physically addictive. psychologically, possibly. If someone gets utterly sloshed three times a week for the rest of their lives I would assume they would be ten times as ed up as the occasional smoker. people smoke pot every day for a good majority of their lives, and saying that they're all ups or they smoked themselves retarded is just plain ignorant.
and if you guys want me to disprove the myth that smoking 1 joint is like smoking a pack of cigarettes, I've got this nice little comparative analysis on the amount of carcinogens in pot as opposed to tobacco.
my word of wisdom, as I've said 1,000 times before - moderation is the key.
*edit* I just realized he was talking about MDMA and Alcohol, not weed and alcohol. my bad. must've been all that weed that's been making me retarded. |
so we're on the discussion of legality.
http://www.tranceaddict.com/forums/...threadid=236063
a thread by me when a programme on UK television was shown and was based in a world where drugs had been legalised. There was a debate following the programme.
Very few drugs can be classed as neurotoxic. It all depends on what textbooks you read. If it actually kills the cell in question, then its neurotoxic. If it activates the cell, but does not kill it, even if it causes damage, it is NOT neurotoxic. (i can't remember the term used for this). I wouldn't class alcohol as a neurotoxin but its understanable why it is sometimes referred to as that. |
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| beats and beeps |
| quote: | Originally posted by Miss Bliss
The Netherlands decriminalized possession and allowed small scale sales of marijuana beginning in 1976. Yet, marijuana use in Holland is half the rate of use in the USA. It is also lower than the United Kingdom which had continued to treat possession as a crime. The UK is now moving toward decriminalization.
Source:
[Center for Drug Research, "Licit and Illicit Drug Use in The Netherlands 1997" (University of Amsterdam, The Netherlands: CEDRO, 1999; Netherlands Ministry of Health, Welfare and Sport, "Drug Policy in the Netherlands: Progress Report Sept. 1997-Sept. 1999 (The Hague, The Netherlands: Ministry of Health, Welfare and Sport, Nov. 1999); US Dept. of Health and Human Services, Substance Abuse and Mental Health Services Administration, National Household Survey on Drug Abuse 1998, 1999, and 2000 (Washington, DC: SAMHSA).
From 1972 to 1978, eleven states decriminalized marijuana possession (covering one-third of the US population) and 33 other states reduced punishment to probation with record erased after six months to one year. Yet, after 1978 marijuana use steadily declined for over a decade. Decriminalization did not increase marijuana use.
Source:
[National Research Council, "Informing America’s Policy On Illegal Drugs: What We Don’t Know Keeps Hurting Us" (Washington, DC: National Academy Press, 2001), pp. 192-193.] |
Well jeez...
I guess the dutch must just be all around smarter than americans.:stongue: |
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| Streakfury |
| quote: | Originally posted by AwakenedAddict
Don't confuse experimentation with addiction. You have no idea of the motives behind each and everyone's drug use... yet you feel like you can make generalizing statements |
Let me repeat myself:
| quote: | Originally posted by kr00t0n
If using drugs makes you a druggie, does that mean everyone here who drinks is an alcoholic? |
| quote: | Originally posted by Streakfury
Not at all. People who try drugs arent druggies either, but judging from the extensive list that some people have here, it's quite clear that there are some pure druggies. Which is a shame. |
I thought I made it clear that I know not everyone who has tried an illegal substance is a drug addict simply because they've tried them. But looking at the sheer amount of things tried by some of you, I think some of you might like it all a little too much if you know what I mean.
And just out of interest, exactly what motives do you think my "generalising statements" dont apply to??
| quote: | Originally posted by Slylee
It is very obvious that the fact that those drugs are illegal, certainly doesn’t stop the distribution and use of them, so I don’t buy it. Besides, judging by how you worded all that, I think I can safely assume you pulled that out your ass. We'll really never know unless they make all that legal, which is very doubtful:p |
Of course there'll never really be any way to completely stop the flow of illegal substances, but making them illegal certainly helps reduce their availability, which is why legal drugs such as alcohol are related more closely to diseases and deaths than illegal drugs. I think you need to look at the ratio between legal and illegal drug use, and compare that to the ratio of legal-drug-induced illness and illegal-drug-induced illness. I imagine they're about the same.
As for pulling it out of my arse, well, I made an educated guess. But feel free to prove me wrong. ;) |
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| GEM |
I don't...;)
But in high school a girl gave me Xanax and something else (don't remember) and I fell asleep in all my classes...:crazy: |
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| smokeape |
I'm sticking with alcohol these days until I reach the point I don't give a damn anymore and go back to old habits. Drugs are like candy, they're f*cking great, they're awful hard to resist, but they're f*cking addictive as well. I know what does what though, haven't forgotten that piece, and may go there there when I retire for real.
:p Lol!
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Luis Paris - Crystal Kiss (Vox Mix) |
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| astroboy |
| quote: | Originally posted by beats and beeps
And despite what you think, some people do still have morals, and simply wont do something because its illegal.
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What does morality have to do with legality? In the USSR it was illegal to run a private enterprise that employed people. In many parts of the world it is illegal for an unaccompanied woman to be in the same room as a man to whom she is not related. Would you say that all these things are immoral because they are illegal. Heck in parts of Nigeria it's legal to stone women to death - would that make it moral? |
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| Zild |
| quote: | Originally posted by Omega_Blue
Zild is WAAAAAY off here. Lets think. Alcohol - Neurotoxic. Marijuana - not Neurotoxic. thats why you don't see commercials saying that marijuana kills brain cells. instead you just run over little kids on bikes when driving out of the drive thru. Alcohol - physically addictive. Marijuana - not physically addictive. psychologically, possibly. If someone gets utterly sloshed three times a week for the rest of their lives I would assume they would be ten times as ed up as the occasional smoker. people smoke pot every day for a good majority of their lives, and saying that they're all ups or they smoked themselves retarded is just plain ignorant.
and if you guys want me to disprove the myth that smoking 1 joint is like smoking a pack of cigarettes, I've got this nice little comparative analysis on the amount of carcinogens in pot as opposed to tobacco.
my word of wisdom, as I've said 1,000 times before - moderation is the key.
*edit* I just realized he was talking about MDMA and Alcohol, not weed and alcohol. my bad. must've been all that weed that's been making me retarded. |
How am I way off? All I said was that taking E three times a week is alot worse than than drinking 3 times a week. I know alcohol is very bad and is physically addictive although socially accepted but taking that much E over a sustained period of time will screw you up alot faster than alcohol will. I don't think I ever said anything bad about smoking marijuana. |
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| dallastar |
| quote: | Originally posted by x-filer
I usually use coke or herion and maybe a bit of ectasy depeneds where i am at. But when i am alone it is herion |
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| dj_bas |
weed and E...dont really wanan try anything else. maybe coke...isn't it supposed to do the same as E just not last as long?
*edit* oh i wanna try halucinegens...and does alcohol count as a drug? |
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| Remiks |
| if you think morality has anything to do with legal issues, then ur a moron first off, and a **** 2nd... how can u mix the two, are u just trying to sound smart, or what....ive been a pothead for like 6 years, sure its great when ur on it, but smoke it everyday for the amount of time i have then quit cold turkey, the withdrawal is in unbearable..u gain weight and the whole nine, its like learning how to live on a different planet, because the same emotions and mind process isnt there, what u felt during the time u were high and burnt is not the same as complete reality, i sometimes wished a in UFO would come down and beam me up back into space. As for the moral/legality issue....dont try to opress me with ur narco-nazi bush bull that by smoking weed im a worst person for it, it has many medical benefits, and the drug companies would lose major profit it it was legalized...cuz it has so much potential, that is why its illegal, not cuz of morals |
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| beats and beeps |
| quote: | Originally posted by astroboy
What does morality have to do with legality? In the USSR it was illegal to run a private enterprise that employed people. In many parts of the world it is illegal for an unaccompanied woman to be in the same room as a man to whom she is not related. Would you say that all these things are immoral because they are illegal. Heck in parts of Nigeria it's legal to stone women to death - would that make it moral? |
If you respect your country it is immoral to break its laws.
That doesnt mean there are not ed up countries. |
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