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What's the deal with ASOT? Read it here! (pg. 13)
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| Lira |
| quote: | Originally posted by Ian^
A state of McProg ?
A State of Acid House ?
A State of Techno :nervous: (Please don't kill my other love armin) ;) |
A State of Progressive Acid McTech-House! |
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| Sand Leaper |
| quote: | Originally posted by biznology
not to mention the fact that every Dutch station needs to realize we dont need MORE talking over the music. |
| quote: | Originally posted by Sand Leaper
That's cos the audience they cater to is slightly different than the one here on TA. They care more for reports on the atmosphere at the party than how the dj mixes and what tracks he/she plays. |
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| TOR |
| quote: | Originally posted by Lira
McTech-House! |
lol, i'd love to hear that :haha: |
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| Cobalt |
| quote: | Originally posted by Radagast
I know there are a lot of stupid people here, you being one of them, but I didn't know Cobalt would go so far as to agree with such an idiotic statement. He's displayed an amount of intelligence on occasion. |
It's not idiotic at all. Though you are correct that he gave no actual arguments, he's right.
Someone with bare knowledge of the music itself doesn't have a full understanding of it, and perhaps never will. I don't pretend to have a full understanding of dance music before I was actively involved with it, though I have an idea of what it was like from others. The cultural setting in which the art occurs is, in this case, important to understanding the art. An extreme but apt analogy would be someone attempting to understand Egyptian art without knowledge of Egyptian culture. It goes hand-in-hand with the art itself.
The experience of dance music in a club or rave environment is essential to understanding much about how it functions on people. It's the venue that the art is meant to be experienced in, a collective, anonymous environment.
Someone who has never been in an anonymous environment like that of a rave or (underground) club doesn't understand what they think they might about EDM, because the experience is an extension of the music.
Is a lot of this hubris, that often gets romanticized? Yes. But there's some truth to it as well. |
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| Gravgon |
I said that because the guy keeps on bashing DJ's like Tiësto and so on saying they are "noobs" although he only bases his judgement on live sets he downloaded in mp3, which I find a bit stupid since the DJ's are supposed to spin "the right track at the right moment".
You can't understand that if you have no idea of what a "moment" in such parties can be... |
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| placebo |
I just wanted to reply to this thread. :)
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| Radagast |
| quote: | Originally posted by Cobalt
Someone with bare knowledge of the music itself doesn't have a full understanding of it, and perhaps never will. I don't pretend to have a full understanding of dance music before I was actively involved with it, though I have an idea of what it was like from others. |
So one can't compare dance music to itself or other music outside of cultural contexts? Why not?
| quote: | | The cultural setting in which the art occurs is, in this case, important to understanding the art. |
Why?
| quote: | | An extreme but apt analogy would be someone attempting to understand Egyptian art without knowledge of Egyptian culture. It goes hand-in-hand with the art itself. |
And I can study rave culture just as well as Egyptian culture. But really the analogy is useless since analyzing music or art from a cultural standpoint is not the only or necessarily the correct way to judge an art form.
Here's an even more apt analogy. I don't need to have experienced being shot to know and tell people that it hurts. I don't need to work on people as a professoional doctor in order to know how a trachea works. And I don't need to be in a club to know how the music works or what it makes me feel like.
| quote: | | The experience of dance music in a club or rave environment is essential to understanding much about how it functions on people. |
How so? What is to say it does not function on me outside the club the same way as inside or vice versa?
| quote: | | It's the venue that the art is meant to be experienced in, a collective, anonymous environment. |
And this would let one better understand the music how?
| quote: | | Someone who has never been in an anonymous environment like that of a rave or (underground) club doesn't understand what they think they might about EDM, because the experience is an extension of the music. |
And how does this experience change what the music is, or increase ones ability to discern such?
| quote: | | But there's some truth to it as well. |
What truth? That intangible, unprovable aspects you ascribe to being in a certain place affect how music feels to me? Or that hearing it louder on a bigger system will make me see the light?
What if I told you that I went to an underground rave and my ideas didn't change one whit? |
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| SYSTEM-J |
Up in arms because you've never set foot in a club? Cobalt certainly has a point.
And I'll admit I've not set foot in a club, but then I am underaged. I have, however, been to plenty of loud music parties and listened to dance music while mashed, and I recognise that the experience is totally different to listening to it at home. |
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| Ian^ |
| quote: | Originally posted by Lira
A State of Progressive Acid McTech-House! |
:nervous: :nervous: :nervous: :stongue: :stongue: :stongue: :stongue: |
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| Ory |
| Then one might argue that club music is at a lower level than just plain listening music. All you need for dancing is a beat, you don't listen to the details and layers. |
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| idoru |
| quote: | Originally posted by Radagast
How so? What is to say it does not function on me outside the club the same way as inside or vice versa? |
Maybe not on you, individually, but I think I speak for a sizeable majority of TA when I say that a club provides a much better experience. Listening to music in the comfort of one's own home is all good and well, and can still be very enjoyable. However, a club provides the listener with a chance to interact with countless others, including the DJ, while dancing to loud music for hours on end. Unless you have experienced EDM in a club, I think it's unfair to say that listening to it at home provides for the same experience. |
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| Cobalt |
| quote: | Originally posted by Radagast
So one can't compare dance music to itself or other music outside of cultural contexts? Why not? |
Sure you can. But you're not going to get a full understanding of the impact of the music without a cultural context, especially dance music because the environment in which it is meant to be heard is so different from social norms.
Because dance music is more than something to be simply listened to. It is meant to be danced to. It is meant to be something you can lose yourself in though the process of dancing. Without an understanding of that environment, you only have half the picture of what dance music is all about.
| quote: | | And I can study rave culture just as well as Egyptian culture. But really the analogy is useless since analyzing music or art from a cultural standpoint is not the only or necessarily the correct way to judge an art form. |
Not when the art is heavily experience-based. Without the experience that augments the art, one can understand some of its impact, but will not understand what they think they might about its full effect.
| quote: | | Here's an even more apt analogy. I don't need to have experienced being shot to know and tell people that it hurts. I don't need to work on people as a professoional doctor in order to know how a trachea works. And I don't need to be in a club to know how the music works or what it makes me feel like. |
Just like a virgin doesn't need to have sex to know what it feels like? Right.
| quote: | | How so? What is to say it does not function on me outside the club the same way as inside or vice versa? |
There's no way I can prove that, because its in your head. But the preponderence of evidence is strongly against you. People involved in dance culture thrive on the environment of the club or rave, because it is uniquely conducive to the art as presented.
| quote: | And this would let one better understand the music how?
And how does this experience change what the music is, or increase ones ability to discern such? |
Because the experience is an extension of the art. It's part of it. Your questions here strike me much as someone failing to understand how a picture of a sculpture does not give them a full understanding of it.
| quote: | | What truth? That intangible, unprovable aspects you ascribe to being in a certain place affect how music feels to me? Or that hearing it louder on a bigger system will make me see the light? |
Yes. No. You're not going to find the answer in technical aspects like the soundsystem. If it was easily defined as such, sociology would be a much easier science.
| quote: | | What if I told you that I went to an underground rave and my ideas didn't change one whit? |
Then I would respect that opinion, but disagree and consider it an abberation. |
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