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Muslim invasion of Europe - Triumph of the East (pg. 12)
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| ShadoWolf |
| quote: | Originally posted by crazyadas
with business i am in detroit 3 days out of the week (automotive) so yeah i've been to usa...also been to france, germany, uk, russia, belarus, denmark, italia...choos your words carefully. just because in the former yugoslawia you guys don't get a long it doesn;t mean that the rest of the world can't |
Actually Muslims don't get along with ANYONE in the world... Buddhists, Christians, Jews, Hindu, etc.
We're all "infidels." :rolleyes: |
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| ShadoWolf |
http://www.suntimes.com/output/stey...dt-steyn27.html
U.S. can sit back and watch Europe implode
February 27, 2005
BY MARK STEYN SUN-TIMES COLUMNIST
A week ago, the conventional wisdom was that George W. Bush had seen the error of his unilateral cowboy ways and was setting off to Europe to mend fences with America's ''allies.''
I think not. Lester Pearson, the late Canadian prime minister, used to say that diplomacy is the art of letting the other fellow have your way. All week long President Bush offered a hilariously parodic reductio of Pearson's bon mot, wandering from one European Union gabfest to another insisting how much he loves his good buddy Jacques and his good buddy Gerhard and how Europe and America share -- what's the standard formulation? -- ''common values.'' Care to pin down an actual specific value or two that we share? Well, you know, ''freedom,'' that sort of thing, abstract nouns mostly. Love to list a few more common values, but gotta run.
And at the end what's changed?
Will the United States sign on to Kyoto?
No.
Will the United States join the International Criminal Court?
No.
Will the United States agree to accept whatever deal the Anglo-Franco-German negotiators cook up with Iran?
No.
Even more remarkably, aside from sticking to his guns in the wider world, the president also found time to cast his eye upon Europe's internal affairs. As he told his audience in Brussels, in the first speech of his tour, ''We must reject anti-Semitism in all forms and we must condemn violence such as that seen in the Netherlands.''
The Euro-bigwigs shuffled their feet and stared coldly into their mistresses' decolletage. They knew Bush wasn't talking about anti-Semitism in Nebraska, but about France, where for three years there's been a sustained campaign of synagogue burning and cemetery desecration, and Germany, where the Berlin police advise Jewish residents not to go out in public wearing any identifying marks of their faith.
The ''violence in the Netherlands'' is a reference to Theo van Gogh, murdered by a Dutch Islamist for making a film critical of the Muslim treatment of women. Van Gogh's professional colleagues reacted to this assault on freedom of speech by canceling his movie from the Rotterdam Film Festival and scheduling some Islamist propaganda instead.
The president, in other words, understands that for Europe, unlike America, the war on terror is an internal affair, a matter of defusing large unassimilated radicalized Muslim immigrant populations before they provoke the inevitable resurgence of opportunist political movements feeding off old hatreds. Difficult trick to pull off, especially on a continent where the ruling elite feels it's in the people's best interest not to pay any attention to them.
The new EU ''constitution,'' for example, would be unrecognizable as such to any American. I had the opportunity to talk with former French President Valery Giscard d'Estaing on a couple of occasions during his long labors as the self-declared and strictly single Founding Father. He called himself ''Europe's Jefferson,'' and I didn't like to quibble that, constitution-wise, Jefferson was Europe's Jefferson -- that's to say, at the time the U.S. Constitution was drawn up, Thomas Jefferson was living in France. Thus, for Giscard to be Europe's Jefferson, he'd have to be in Des Moines, where he'd be doing far less damage.
But, quibbles aside, President Giscard professed to be looking in the right direction. When I met him, he had an amiable riff on how he'd been in Washington and bought one of those compact copies of the U.S. Constitution on sale for a buck or two. Many Americans wander round with the constitution in their pocket so they can whip it out and chastise over-reaching congressmen and senators at a moment's notice. Try going round with the European Constitution in your pocket and you'll be walking with a limp after two hours: It's 511 pages, which is 500 longer than the U.S. version. It's full of stuff about European space policy, Slovakian nuclear plants, water resources, free expression for children, the right to housing assistance, preventive action on the environment, etc.
Most of the so-called constitution isn't in the least bit constitutional. That's to say, it's not content, as the U.S. Constitution is, to define the distribution and limitation of powers. Instead, it reads like a U.S. defense spending bill that's got porked up with a ton of miscellaneous expenditures for the ''mohair subsidy'' and other notorious Congressional boondoggles. President Ronald Reagan liked to say, ''We are a nation that has a government -- not the other way around.'' If you want to know what it looks like the other way round, read Monsieur Giscard's constitution.
But the fact is it's going to be ratified, and Washington is hardly in a position to prevent it. Plus there's something to be said for the theory that, as the EU constitution is a disaster waiting to happen, you might as well cut down the waiting and let it happen. CIA analysts predict the collapse of the EU within 15 years. I'd say, as predictions of doom go, that's a little on the cautious side.
But either way the notion that it's a superpower in the making is preposterous. Most administration officials subscribe to one of two views: a) Europe is a smugly irritating but irrelevant backwater; or b) Europe is a smugly irritating but irrelevant backwater where the whole powder keg's about to go up.
For what it's worth, I incline to the latter position. Europe's problems -- its unaffordable social programs, its deathbed demographics, its dependence on immigration numbers that no stable nation (not even America in the Ellis Island era) has ever successfully absorbed -- are all of Europe's making. By some projections, the EU's population will be 40 percent Muslim by 2025. Already, more people each week attend Friday prayers at British mosques than Sunday service at Christian churches -- and in a country where Anglican bishops have permanent seats in the national legislature.
Some of us think an Islamic Europe will be easier for America to deal with than the present Europe of cynical, wily, duplicitous pseudo-allies. But getting there is certain to be messy, and violent.
Until the shape of the new Europe begins to emerge, there's no point picking fights with the terminally ill. The old Europe is dying, and Mr. Bush did the diplomatic equivalent of the Oscar night lifetime-achievement tribute at which the current stars salute a once glamorous old-timer whose fading aura is no threat to them. The 21st century is being built elsewhere. |
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| tamk |
how true, id never get along with someone like shadowolf
but seriously extremists who give mulsims like me a bad name would love to have this guy, type A extremist personality, prime for the picking for any nutjob cult
and for wearing swords on their necks, coming from afghanistan and pakistan (99% muslim nations) not once have i ever seen it, or people who think that all non muslims should die
yes in islamic traditions there is the distinction of beliver and non beliver, but one of the first verses taught to kids is that "there is no compulsion in religion"
islam is practiced differently all over the world you can't apply the wahhabism of saudi arabia to muslims all over the world.
its like saying all white americans hate the government and non-whites and feel like the whites are the master race (ala timothy mcveigh). i thought in the west people were taught not ot stereotype or are muslims exempt from this lesson and it only applies to blacks and jews. |
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| shaolin_Z |
| quote: | Originally posted by tamk
how true, id never get along with someone like shadowolf
but seriously extremists who give mulsims like me a bad name would love to have this guy, type A extremist personality, prime for the picking for any nutjob cult
and for wearing swords on their necks, coming from afghanistan and pakistan (99% muslim nations) not once have i ever seen it, or people who think that all non muslims should die
yes in islamic traditions there is the distinction of beliver and non beliver, but one of the first verses taught to kids is that "there is no compulsion in religion"
islam is practiced differently all over the world you can't apply the wahhabism of saudi arabia to muslims all over the world.
its like saying all white americans hate the government and non-whites and feel like the whites are the master race (ala timothy mcveigh). i thought in the west people were taught not ot stereotype or are muslims exempt from this lesson and it only applies to blacks and jews. |
well said
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| Diginerd |
There's more than one religion who state that if you are not a member of their group then you are going to hell. Since these religions are mutually exclusive, we're all going to hell.
At least that's the theory.
Personally you can believe what ever you like, so long as you don't try and force your belief system onto me. I'll do you the courtesy of refraining from espousing my beliefs. You may have guessed by now that I am not a fundamentalist of any particular religion you may care to name. That doesn't mean that my beliefs aren't strong though..
A point that I think has been missed in much of this thread is that it's not religion that has started wars. It's men who have used religion as an excuse for their own gain.
If you dig deep into practically all belief systems (not just those with a Judo/Christian/Islamic root) many actually preach (at the very least) to treat "non-believers" as brothers / sisters who haven't seen the the light of your group's particular vision of things.
Shame the ideals never seem to work out in practice. |
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| Magnetonium |
One thing for sure, Islam is on the rise in Europe. France has a considerable Muslim population, as was stated below which demands more rights, such as having Arabic as second language, as well as allowing them have their separate schools and other stuff. In Belgium, where the situation is worse, a radical Muslim wing is demanding representation in the Belgian government and is calling for the creation of a Muslim state in Europe. The co-operation between Muslims and Belgian police is not very good, since many Muslims there have established their own separate communities apart from Belgian. Belgium has Europe's biggest Jewish population, and as we all know, Muslims and Jews dont get along with each other very well .... bla bla ... |
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| malek |
notice the sword worn by the second guy.
stfukthnx |
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| George Smiley |
| quote: | Originally posted by malek
notice the sword worn by the second guy.
stfukthnx |
Ok, thats one person, now can you post up the other billion+ pictures of Muslims with a sword round their necks? |
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| St_Andrew |
| quote: | Originally posted by Nou
I dont see what the big deal about wearing a sword around your neck... I mean christians wear an execution device around theirs? |
hahahaha so true :D |
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| Lira |
| quote: | Originally posted by Nou
This thread should be closed, it has no point. |
Well, it is entertaining after all :p |
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| shaolin_Z |
| quote: | Originally posted by Lira
Well, it is entertaining after all :p |
I'm pretty sure the Arab/Muslim TAs don't think this kind of slander of their religion/culture is entertaining. |
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| Lira |
| quote: | Originally posted by shaolin_Z
I'm pretty sure the Arab/Muslim TAs don't think this kind of slander of their religion/culture is entertaining. |
No matter how much I like Shadowolf, they've got the right to show him he's a tad bit paranoid about this issue ;) That's why I find it entertaining, pretty much like those old creationism vs. evolution debates, he always manages to come up with something.
Besides, I wouldn't like to close a thread unless chaos and disorder have combined. |
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