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Muslim invasion of Europe - Triumph of the East (pg. 2)
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| ShadoWolf |
Romanesque style:
Hagia Sofia:
http://www.patriarchate.org/ecumeni...gia_sophia.html
| quote: | On Tuesday, May 29, 1453, Sultan Mehmet the Conqueror entered the vanquished city late in the afternoon and rode to Hagia Sophia. He was amazed at its beauty and decided to convert the Cathedral into his imperial mosque.
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edit: you fail to mention the horror inflicted on the existing kingdoms in modern France and Spain by the invading Muslim hordes. |
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| ShadoWolf |
You can wait and let them come. But I guarantee that they will not be as tolerant to you as you are to them. Their goal is to destroy you.
This is what Muslims do to Buddhists:
| quote: | | A Taliban fighter sits on a piece of rubble in front of one of the demolished statues in Bamiyan in this file photo taken on March 26, 2001. REUTERS/Sayed Salahuddin/File Photo |
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| Renegade |
| quote: | Originally posted by ShadoWolf
You can wait and let them come. But I guarantee that they will not be as tolerant to you and you are to them. Their goal is to destroy you. |
You, my friend, are a psychologist's wet dream. |
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| Lira |
| quote: | Originally posted by ShadoWolf
You can wait and let them come. But I guarantee that they will not be as tolerant to you and you are to them. Their goal is to destroy you.
This is what Muslims do to Buddhists:
[img]http://www.spongobongo.com/em/Bij9057.jpg[img]
[img]http://www.spongobongo.com/em/Bij9058.jpg[img] |
I'm not sure whether you realised this but, you do know the statue was destroyed because it was an image, right?
| quote: | Originally posted by ShadoWolf
Romanesque style:
[img]http://www.gradst.hr/library/books/UDK-prinove-knjiga/romanesque.jpg[img]
Hagia Sofia:
[url]http://www.patriarchate.org/ecumenical_patriarchate/chapter_4/html/hagia_sophia.html[url]
edit: you fail to mention the horror inflicted on the existing kingdoms in modern France and Spain by the invading Muslim hordes. |
Beautiful example of romanesque. However, Romanesque's archs tends to be extremely simpler than the one you can see in the mosque (and archs have been used by the arabs for quite a while as you can see here and here) and, if you see the outside:
Doesn't look very Roman, does it? Yes, they didn't "steal" anything (or "destroy", for that matter): not only they preserved but they also learned. As for Sancta Sophia, they didn't destroy it, so what's the problem, exactly?
I'm going to take a nap, I'll talk about the rest later. |
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| paranoik0 |
| quote: | Originally posted by Renegade
You, my friend, are a psychologist's wet dream. |
:haha: |
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| DrUg_Tit0 |
Well, you can't really deny that muslims did bring a lot of good things to Europe, starting with arabic numbers, alchemy, optics...overall the muslim world wasn't that bad until the arrival of the Turks.
Nowadays, however, the roles are pretty much reversed. And the west is really not doing much to help out the arabic world. Because really, the only way to make those people less fundamentalist oriented is to educate them (or perhaps install a soviet-like government and make it last for a 100 years or so). Everything else, like military actions may subdue them, but will not change their ways of thinking, infact it may as well result in an additional radicalization of their ideas. Unfortunately, the US especially excelles at that sort of a scenario. Nevertheless, once (if) those people ever get loose from religious fundamentalism, they will no longer have the need to migrate to Europe, and those that will migrate will not pose any sort of problem, infact they will prove to be a beneficial addition to the society. |
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| biznology |
well and you can consider a mass migration to the West as a part of jihad, but the fact of the matter is, many of the children of those that migrate become less of their fathers and more of the West.
of course, they may never be seen in equal footing as the usual Westerners, but nonetheless the more exposure - the less likely they are to want to destroy the life they know| |
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| ShadoWolf |
http://www.jihadwatch.org/dhimmiwat...ives/004892.php
The Return of the Ents
A new essay by Wolfgang Bruno:
The always eminent writer and historian Victor Davis Hanson compares modern Europe to the Middle Earth of J.R.R. Tolkien’s epic “The Lord of the Rings”, recently turned into one of the most successful movie trilogies in history by New Zealand director Peter Jackson. Like the inhabitants of Tolkien’s imaginary world, Europeans are accustomed to living in peace and prosperity. But their sedate way of life is starting to come under threat, although not all of them have noticed it yet. The shadow of an ancient foe is rising in the East, an enemy that has not threatened us for so long that we had almost forgotten about it, and how dangerous it can be.
Memories of past battles have become dim, to the point where we treat them almost as Fairytales. The enemy was defeated last time, but not destroyed. It has been lying low since then, retreated into its heartland and waited for the next opportunity to strike. And now, it senses weakness.
The One Ring, the Ring of Power, which triggers a major war deciding the future of freedom in Middle Earth, is a great analogy for Islam. Many men have become enticed by the undeniable power of the Ring, hoping to use it for their own gain in the vain belief that they can control it. But the Ring of Power has a will of its own, and is inherently evil. It cannot be used for anything good. It will slowly corrupt the ones using it, replacing whatever was noble and positive with darkness, leaving nothing but an empty shell. Like the Nazgűl or Ring Wraiths, once great kings of men, now soulless tools at the hands of evil.
A long time ago, the area from Egypt via Syria to Iraq, Iran and Pakistan was the seat of the earliest civilizations known to man. Today, Islam has long since consumed these vibrant cultures, and replaced them with Islamic backwardness, terrorism and hate, with no other purpose in life than to be at the service of the Ummah. This is the fate of France, too, unless the French wake up and change their ways. The French elite are on an insane quest: The primary enemy for them is not Islam, but the Anglo-American rivals they have been fighting a loosing battle for supremacy against since the age of Napoleon, if not before. They think they can ride the tiger, and “use” Islam to regain some of their former glory. The equivalent of Saruman, the traitorous wizard, would have to be Jacques Chirac and the French political elite behind the Eurabia project. They are the enemy within, pretending to be on our side while having joined the forces of darkness a long time ago, and they may drag others with them when they fall.
Outsiders have been puzzled that a fantasy tale such as the Lord of the Rings could spellbind generation after generation. Perhaps the answer to the riddle is that despite being full of Elves, Trolls and strange beasts, it is essentially a very human story, a tale of cowardice, treachery and death, but also of hope, new beginnings and unexpected courage. Above all, it is a story about the quiet people, the little people, like the Hobbits or the Ents, suddenly rising to the occasion and showing bravery and zeal nobody had expected from them, not the least themselves. People who are ripped out of their daily lives to face a mounting evil gathering outside the gates, threatening to destroy everything they hold dear. Many of the individuals who are there to protect us and our civilization shrink in front of the challenges facing them. Some, like Saruman or the Eurabian elites, hope to increase their own power. Others, like Denethor, Steward of Gondor, are paralyzed by indecisiveness, overcome by defeatism and their own personal delusions, leaving their nations defenseless while the enemy is about to attack. Yet some, like Théoden King of Rohan, have had blinders drawn before their eyes by the likes of Grima Wormtongue, the John Espositos, the Tariq Ramadans and the multicultural Islam-apologists of the world. They can still be redeemed in the 12th hour, and return to lead the defenses.
It is easy to watch many of our leaders fail in standing up to or even identifying our adversary, witness the sheer numerical size of the enemy, and conclude that we have lost the fight. It is also wrong. As Tolkien shows us, some of those in power will inevitably fail to handle their responsibilities. But others, who had not been taken into the calculation by either friend or foe, will rise up to the occasion at the last moment and tip the scales in favor of the forces of good. If the big people prove too small for the task at hand, then the little people will have to grow and carry the load. The real will to identify the Islamic enemy and his weak points today is not found in the media, in the overpaid think-tanks and certainly not in our “progressive” universities or among most of the politicians. It is found in small websites by ex-Muslims, such as SecularIslam.org, KnowIslam.info, FaithFreedom.org, ApostatesOfIslam.com and IslamReview.org, and some others by non-Muslims like JihadWatch.org. It is picked up and its message carried throughout the world by the blogosphere, the global community of weblogs and private websites that is increasingly asserting its influence and challenging the major networks. Big Media will have to follow their lead, or decline in trust and significance as more and more people contrast their apologist stance with better arguments and analyses given elsewhere.
It is not for us to decide the time we live in. All there is for us is to decide what to do with the time that is given to us. This task has been appointed to us. And if we do not find a way, than no one will. Perhaps it is time to throw evil back where it came from, be that the fires of Mordor or the glowing sands of Arabia. Much hangs in the balance, maybe even civilization itself. Only time will tell if we are up to the challenge.
Wolfgang Bruno is a European author, writing a book about the Internet movement of ex-Muslims. All of Bruno's essays can be republished and reproduced for free by anybody who wants to. |
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| Lira |
| quote: | Originally posted by ShadoWolf
Like the inhabitants of Tolkien’s imaginary world, Europeans are accustomed to living in peace and prosperity. |
The two world wars, the spanish civil war, the cold war and the bosnian war didn't happen too long ago ;) |
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| josh4 |
| See this is one thing American culture is good for. After a couple years in America any religious fanatic will soon become so lazy they won't care about religion anymore. Not that they don't believe, they just don't care. Seeing the next episode of CSI becomes a higher priority. |
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| imokruok |
Two points:
1) The Islam of today is not even close to the Islam of 50 or 500 years ago. Where once you could consider many Middle-Eastern societies enlightened, modern interpretations of the religion have stripped millions of self-autonomy and a desire for personal achievement. It's what Iran is like today versus 40 years ago - take one big jump backwards, and then do it again and again...
You can talk about historical achievements in Islamic societies, but that's not the religion that's being spread today...so it really makes no sense to equate today with the past.
2) The US can't be lumped in with Europe when you talk about Islam "conquering" the regions. You can already see the friction in Europe from the governments' inability to assimilate immigrants. Case in point: the ghettoes in Paris, Rotterdam, etc. Islam will attempt to conquer these societies because its followers have no role to play in the local culture. The US, on the other hand, does a pretty good job of integrating muslims into Western society. Plus, there are a hell of a lot less of them here than in Europe - by far. |
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