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What now America??? Cheerleader ban? (pg. 8)
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| igottaknow |
| wow i missed some serious drama, sexist flameage followed by pwnage. i'm on my best behavior so i'll stay out of it. |
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| johnyiscool |
| quote: | | i guess it's better to know, and help keep your daughter safe than have her end up pregnant at 16 and not tell you about it. |
thats like saying its better to know and help keep your daughter safe then ending up having her be a druggie |
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| occrider |
Teaching kids abstinence is good!
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The latest study, published in the April issue of the Journal of Adolescent Health, found that teens pledging virginity until marriage are more likely to have oral and anal sex than other teens who have not had intercourse.
http://msnbc.msn.com/ID/7232643/
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| johnyiscool |
| just because a study says it is true doesnt mean it is |
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| verndogs |
| quote: | Originally posted by Nou
If a abstinence means a greater chance of puttin it in a chicks butt Im all for it!  |
you mean a pledge of abstinence, right? ;) |
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| occrider |
| quote: | Originally posted by johnyiscool
just because a study says it is true doesnt mean it is |
Of course not. One must always analyze the statistical methods used to arrive at a statistically significant conclusion in a study. Here's the statistical methodology used in this particular study:
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Data and methods
The initial results on the impact of virginity pledges on the transition to first sex arose from analyses of the first two waves of data from National Longitudinal Study of Adolescent Health (hereafter, Add Health). In this article, we consider data from the 3rd in-home wave of Add Health interviews, when respondents were 18–24 years old. This enables us to consider the long-term consequences of adolescent pledging on the sexual behavior and STD acquisition dynamics of young adults.
Of the original Add Health wave 1 respondents (n = 20,745), 15,170 individuals, or 73%, participated in wave 3. Data were collected between August 2001 and April 2002. Biomarker data (urine samples) on STD status were collected from 92% of wave 3 respondents. A total of 1183 individuals (8%) refused participation in the biospecimen collection. Urine samples were collected in the field and analyzed for the presence of three sexually transmitted diseases, Chlamydia (CH), Gonorrhea (GC), and Trichomoniasis (TR). In addition, 7000 female respondents who reported ever having had vaginal sex in wave 3 were randomly selected for Human Papilloma Virus (HPV) assays. The specific procedure and tests used are described in detail in 5. Both males and females were tested for the three bacterial STDs regardless of their sexual activity status.
Collection procedures followed a strict protocol; samples that arrived in a condition not suitable for testing were discarded. Between 4% (CH), 5% (TR), and 10% (GC) of the samples were not tested for these reasons [5,6]. Pledgers do not differ from others with respect to whether their samples yielded results in the testing (p = 0.32 for CH, p = 0.17 for TR, p = 0.20 for CG). Pledgers did not differ from others in the extent to which they refused to provide urine samples (p = 0.28). Data are weighted to adjust for over-sampling of various groups and wave 3 nonresponse. Analyses of panel attrition for wave 3 show that generally, nonresponse bias has little impact on estimates 7. If pledgers were significantly more or less likely than others to participate in wave 3, however, weighting may not correct the resulting bias. Among females, respondents who reported pledging in wave 1 or 2 were just as likely to participate in wave 3 as nonpledgers. Among males, those who pledged in wave 1 or wave 2 were more likely to participate in wave 3 than others (23% nonresponse compared with 29%). However, both pledging and participation in wave 3 is negatively associated with age. The difference between pledgers and others is significant only for males who were 17 years and older at the time of wave 1 (31% vs. 22% nonresponse); among males under age 15 and between 15 and 16, nonresponse differs by 3% and 6%, respectively, but not statistically significantly.
Unless otherwise noted, the analyses reported below are based on 11,471 respondents with valid data on STD status and grand sample weights. The majority of the results are derived from cross-tabulating pledge status with various outcome and behavioral measures. To adjust standard errors for the clustered sample design, we used the survey procedures provided in STATA [8,9]. For two measures (timing of first sex and first marriage) we used Kaplan-Meier estimates of the survivor function; these analyses use weights, but do not adjust for clustering. A Wald test based on a robust variance estimator appropriate for weighted data was used to test for the difference between observed and expected number of failures within each group.
http://www.jahonline.org/article/PI...lltext#section7
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Now I take it you have a particular criticism of the statistical methodology used in the study which provoked your response, or were were simply making an argumentum ad ignorantiam? |
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| Orbax |
| I want to get a teeshirt that says "I HAVE AN OPINION" on it |
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| johnyiscool |
no it just depends on where you gather data from
either way it doesnt change the morality or imorality of such.... |
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| occrider |
| quote: | Originally posted by johnyiscool
no it just depends on where you gather data from
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Umm so what's your critique for the source of this data? You seemingly dismissed the results of the study ... so what's your scientific reasoning to do so?
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either way it doesnt change the morality or imorality of such.... |
What does this have to do with morality? The study focuses on the effects of abstinence only education. Regardless of any moral consideration, the propensity for anal/oral sex is greater among those who pledged abstinence. |
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| Nautilus |
| quote: | Originally posted by hardstyle
This country doesnt move forwards, it move backwards
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I wouldn't be surprised if one day I woke up, took a shower, got dressed, ate breakfast, left the house, and realized every women outside was covered from head to toe muslim style. That would suck. |
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| Endlesswave |
LOL Wtf. More family oriented?
Why not stop any sport that is violent? (Ie all of them) because they promote hate and physical violence while playing them?:rolleyes: Glad I live north of you guys... |
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| Lira |
| quote: | Originally posted by occrider
Teaching kids abstinence is good! |
If I agreed with you any more, I'd become a high school teacher. |
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