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US School Shooting (pg. 11)
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| kamil |
| All guns are capable of being used in crime. All guns pose a threat to public safety. |
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| UWM |
| quote: | Originally posted by kamil
All guns are capable of being used in crime. All guns pose a threat to public safety. |
All people are capable of being used in crime. All people pose a threat to public safety.
Should we outlaw people? |
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| Moral Hazard |
| quote: | Originally posted by flavdave
From what I'm reading here, it seems like the opposite of what you are saying, it seems to be the foreigners (especially Canadians)who have zero trust in American citizens, the government, and the use of firearms. There are close to 300 million people living in the US, so of course there are a few nut jobs that shoot up the schools, but the vast majority of legal gun owners are peaceful and responsible. |
I am a gun owner, I do not have a distrust of firearms. I also do not have a distrust of US citizens (generally speaking, as in all things there are exceptions). I have to say that there are definately times that I do distrust your government, however, there are times that I distrust all governments (blindly believing would be illadvisable for anyone with respect to anything). I also agree with your statement that most legal gun owners are peaceful and responsible.
What I was hoping to convey via my posts was my impression that the US seems to experience a dispoportionate amount of gun related violence. Karim's post supports this impression. I was further noting that the entire political culture of the United States is built on distrust of one another (one look at the extrenuous checks and balances establised by your constitution proves this). It is my contention that the systemic distrust present in the United States coupled with the availibility of fire arms has lead to your dispoportionatly high rate of firearms related crimes. Compounding this is the highly ununiformed distribution of wealth in your country, however, I view that as a catalyst in most instances rather then a cause.
FYI, even if most legal gun owners are responsible, the greater availibility of firearms results in more firearms being availible for illegal distribution and illegal use. You can bet a great deal of weapons used by criminals are obtained through theft from the factory/wholesaler/retailer/gun owner or by clandestine distribution by the arms manufactures. |
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| Orbax |
| the world would be safer without people :nervous: |
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| kamil |
| quote: | Originally posted by UWM
All people are capable of being used in crime. All people pose a threat to public safety.
Should we outlaw people? |
thats such stupid reasoning. i wont go further with this. |
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| flavdave |
| quote: | Originally posted by kamil
All guns are capable of being used in crime. All guns pose a threat to public safety. |
So do hockey sticks. Let's outlaw hockey sticks in Canada. |
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| kamil |
| quote: | Originally posted by flavdave
So do hockey sticks. Let's outlaw hockey sticks in Canada. |
:rolleyes: |
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| UWM |
| quote: | Originally posted by kamil
thats such stupid reasoning. i wont go further with this. |
Why is it stupid? It's the same argument. |
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| Orbax |
| quote: | Originally posted by UWM
Why is it stupid? It's the same argument. |
See you need to understand people better. What he really* said was "Damnit, I used bad logic, but im emotionally vested in my opinion so I refuse to admit it" |
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| Moral Hazard |
| quote: | Originally posted by Orbax
Much like problems of teen pregnancy, low literacy rate, political and world ignorance, rabid extremism and the like, a revamping of our social education system (via established school systems) would cure the symptoms of the one source of all these symptoms. If we spent as much on schools and getting inner city people a chance like the kids who are on legacy admission to Yale, the budding resentment might be nipped.
Well educated, well raised people tend to be a little more rational about stuff. Im not saying it solves all problems but its the idea of solving teen pregnancy by giving out condoms you know? Wont solve violence by taking away one of the plethora of tools out there. |
Now this is a good and rational post... I'm with you. Too bad the majority of your countrymen are not. |
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| flavdave |
| quote: | Originally posted by Moral Hazard
I am a gun owner, I do not have a distrust of firearms. I also do not have a distrust of US citizens (generally speaking, as in all things there are exceptions). I have to say that there are definately times that I do distrust your government, however, there are times that I distrust all governments (blindly believing would be illadvisable for anyone with respect to anything). I also agree with your statement that most legal gun owners are peaceful and responsible.
What I was hoping to convey via my posts was my impression that the US seems to experience a dispoportionate amount of gun related violence. Karim's post supports this impression. I was further noting that the entire political culture of the United States is built on distrust of one another (one look at the extrenuous checks and balances establised by your constitution proves this). It is my contention that the systemic distrust present in the United States coupled with the availibility of fire arms has lead to your dispoportionatly high rate of firearms related crimes. Compounding this is the highly ununiformed distribution of wealth in your country, however, I view that as a catalyst in most instances rather then a cause.
FYI, even if most legal gun owners are responsible, the greater availibility of firearms results in more firearms being availible for illegal distribution and illegal use. You can bet a great deal of weapons used by criminals are obtained through theft from the factory/wholesaler/retailer/gun owner or by clandestine distribution by the arms manufactures. |
You make good points, but I don't agree with the notion that Americans live in a society where there is rampant distrust and that our system of checks and balances is evidence of this. Our country was founded by people who sought freedom from tyranny, so it seems only logical to have checks and balances system to prevent one branch of government from becoming too powerful. |
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| Boomer187 |
i think it was chris rock who said the only way to stop this violence (or to make it really rare and worth it) is to make bullets really really expensive :wtf:
no way would anyone waste a $5,000 bullet.
k i know you can make bullets, its a joke :wtf: |
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