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| smokeape |
Had not heard about the killing at the school until now. It happened on an Indian Reservation which is not part of normal societal public schools. Guess one of them injuns went on the damn warpath. Don't entirely agree with the reservation deal to begin with in modern society, but that topic's better left for the Pol Forum.
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| Arbiter |
I find it troubling that so many people seem to believe that the fundamental problem of which this kind of incident is symptomatic is guns and gun control. The gun is merely a tool, a means to an end. It has no will of its own, nor any ability to create such a situation of its own accord. To suggest that the best way to have prevented this situation would have been to restrict the availability of guns to the culprit seems to me to be a dangerously short-sighted cop-out designed specifically to avoid addressing the more complex and fundamental issues at hand, namely, the circumstances which gave rise to the individual's decision to use a gun to cause harm to other people.
Removing all guns from the face of the Earth wouldn't address this problem in the least. Guns are only tools, and there are many alternatives if one's objective is to kill or injure other individuals. |
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| smokeape |
| quote: | Originally posted by Arbiter
I find it troubling that so many people seem to believe that the fundamental problem of which this kind of incident is symptomatic is guns and gun control. The gun is merely a tool, a means to an end. It has no will of its own, nor any ability to create such a situation of its own accord. To suggest that the best way to have prevented this situation would have been to restrict the availability of guns to the culprit seems to me to be a dangerously short-sighted cop-out designed specifically to avoid addressing the more complex and fundamental issues at hand, namely, the circumstances which gave rise to the individual's decision to use a gun to cause harm to other people.
Removing all guns from the face of the Earth wouldn't address this problem in the least. Guns are only tools, and there are many alternatives if one's objective is to kill or injure other individuals. |
All of the above equates to injuns go on the warpath just like they've done throughout history with guns, tomahawks, or whatever's at hand. Now over to the Pol forum...
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| Halcyon+On+On |
| quote: | Originally posted by Jackson
Either Way! Alot of you are missing the MAJOR point! It doesn't matter if you love guns, hate guns, have kids, or have no idea what the is going on......9 people are dead, many of which only list about One Fifth of their potential lives!
It doesnt matter what your arguement is...Pleace have some respect for the victims!
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Quite true, Jackson. :(
Also, people aren't just born messed up - lots of things may have happened to him in his short life, but people live perfectly healthy lives going through similar - that's just the way life is sometimes. However, it's irregular to go on a shooting rampage, any way you look at it. Blame whatever you want for this, the kid made a decision to kill others - it was not the fault of his guns, his music, god or the internet - it was his own choice.
In any case, he was a disconnected individual. This is a tragedy through-and-through, and it's even more tragic to think that just one person who said "Hi" to him or even smiled at him one day could have changed the course of things. |
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| Zild |
| quote: | Originally posted by Falcon-X
LOL the governement walks all over the bill of rights everyday for terrible reasons like loss of your freedom. This on the contrary would be a good reason to.
Dont you realize the "right" to have a gun was put there in times when there was still fear of imminent war and could be usefull. |
twist it however you want but the fact that the government does trample all over the constitution is one of the reasons guns should be legal
Now maybe you don't live somewhere that military and police forces have joint drills in the dead of night with actors to practice disarming and detaining American citizens but I do. |
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| Matt Jay |
| quote: | Originally posted by Zild
Now maybe you don't live somewhere that military and police forces have joint drills in the dead of night with actors to practice disarming and detaining American citizens but I do. |
What's wrong with that? |
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| smokeape |
| quote: | Originally posted by Zild
twist it however you want but the fact that the government does trample all over the constitution is one of the reasons guns should be legal
Now maybe you don't live somewhere that military and police forces have joint drills in the dead of night with actors to practice disarming and detaining American citizens but I do. |
And that occurs in Texas? I've never heard of such and don't believe it for a moment. Are they practicing disarming terrorists or quelling riots perhaps?
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| Zild |
| The reason I know about it is because the Cheif of Police in San Antonio Al Phillipus wouldn't let them do any exercises in the city and they made a big stink about it. I've also seen video tapes of the exercises. Some of them are as simple as joint police/military checkpoints on the highway telling anyone they want to pull over and searching them to police/military teams rappelling out of black helicopters at night and disarming actors that are pleading with them saying things like "I'm a US citizen! What are you doing? Please stop!" stuff like that. The exercises were allowed in other major cities though. |
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| Pariah Cleric |
Gun ban doesn't matter anyways, he got the guns from his grandfather, who was a police officer, who he killed.
So, you want the police to fight crime with breadsticks? Or how about dildos? Maybe a very sharp piece of paper? |
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| smokeape |
| quote: | Originally posted by Zild
The reason I know about it is because the Cheif of Police in San Antonio Al Phillipus wouldn't let them do any exercises in the city and they made a big stink about it. I've also seen video tapes of the exercises. Some of them are as simple as joint police/military checkpoints on the highway telling anyone they want to pull over and searching them to police/military teams rappelling out of black helicopters at night and disarming actors that are pleading with them saying things like "I'm a US citizen! What are you doing? Please stop!" stuff like that. The exercises were allowed in other major cities though. |
What in the world are you talking about? Fantasies? You obviously have no earthly idea about what police or military training consists of, since your statements are so far off the mark of reality.
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| eckmek |
| quote: | Originally posted by Arbiter
I find it troubling that so many people seem to believe that the fundamental problem of which this kind of incident is symptomatic is guns and gun control. The gun is merely a tool, a means to an end. It has no will of its own, nor any ability to create such a situation of its own accord. To suggest that the best way to have prevented this situation would have been to restrict the availability of guns to the culprit seems to me to be a dangerously short-sighted cop-out designed specifically to avoid addressing the more complex and fundamental issues at hand, namely, the circumstances which gave rise to the individual's decision to use a gun to cause harm to other people.
Removing all guns from the face of the Earth wouldn't address this problem in the least. Guns are only tools, and there are many alternatives if one's objective is to kill or injure other individuals. |
Man i love your posts Arbiter! |
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| Aristronica |
| all i have to say is i've lived around 8 years of my life in MN and for a state like that to have a school shooting it's pretty ed up |
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