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How do you create rich and fat sounds? (pg. 4)
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| Magnus |
| quote: | Originally posted by The Drow
Ok I now have the newest version...
Still no highs:sadgreen:
maybe its my soundcard?
It's an onboard one. |
Onboard sound??? I think that is your problem right there. For production, onboard sound is about the worse thing you could ever want. drivers built for a product. Spend a little cash and get yourself a real soundcard and I think you'll be set. |
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| staticblue |
having a bad or onboard soundcard surely doesn't help, but it has nothing to do with the capability to generate highs or not. Vanguard can generate highs, and it's even known to have a nice decent high end, it's sound cutting nicely through the mix.
Can you post a sample of what you meen when you say that each sound you make has "no highs" ?
if you want > msn. |
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| Derivative |
a new soundcard wont do anything. soundcards dont generate sound. as staticblue mentioned.
i can switch my sound driver to my integrated soundcard from my delta 1010. sounds pretty much exactly the same.
99.99% of the time the fault is human. its nearly always human. |
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| RiCo |
| Yeah, to test I also switched also from Delta 1010 to onboard AC97' soundcard and sounded pretty much the same. |
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| The Drow |
most of the problem was in the version of vanguard and the fl spectroman...
thanks guys. |
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| qiushiming |
| quote: | Originally posted by Derivative
try building one now using the method i described. keep it simple. get it right.
3 sawtooths. tune the 2nd oscillator up 12 semi tones (1 full octave)
now on the LFO set the LFO speed of oscillator 1 around 3 o clock. keep it fairly slow. modulate the tuning of oscillator 1 negatively (set the detune to -8) and open the LFO cutoff to around 2 or 3 o clock.
do the opposite on LFO 2. keep the LFO speed low again but this time modulate the tuning of oscillator 2 in the opposite direction (+8 on the detune knob) and open the LFO cutoff to taste. about 1 to 4 o clock.
bring the decay up on both envelopes fairly high. around 12 to 3 o clock. up the release to at least 12 o clock on both envelopes. increase the amp attack to just get rid of the click. about 9 o clock ish.
on the filter let it 6dB low pass. up the vetrix to around 2 o clock. keep the keytrix around 12. open the resonance very slightly. not too much.
now on the oscillator. set the fatness up pretty high. around 3 o clock.
add some delay.
you have a basic vanguard supersaw type lead. it wont sound like a JP but it has that trance sound.
to fatten it up even more. stack multiple vanguards using the same patch on top of each other. make sure the detune and spread of each one is slightly different. this is simulate unison mode on some synths because vanguard doesnt have unison.
watch your CPU load because with the high release and multiple instances you can crash your PC pretty hard doing this.
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that was some great advice...thanks a lot! :tongue2
im getting a really high ringing noise when i layer 3 of them together..its very subtle...but if you listen long enough it kinda hurts your ears
ive tried all sorts of fruity filters to cut out that high, but im wondering if you have any suggestions |
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| randysandy |
Interesting topic, I have a tip.
I use Vanguard (including many others such as,crusherXstudio z3ta+), as well and just purchased the new spectralive (dirt cheap at $25 IMHO) plugin (www.crysonic.com), and it really made a huge difference. It's like BBE or PSP warmer but they are out of my budged at the moment:). Here is what I discovered, download the demo and apply spectralive to a track and (choose the 5th preset I think) put the volume down by about 5-8Db's and play the same track (dry) at the same time, the mix jumps straight out the speakers. In fact all my instruments for some reason sound punchier and clearer when passing through spectralive, my two cents worth.
cheers
I also place the Voxengo elphant(great plugins) after spectralive |
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| qiushiming |
wow great info...ill check it out...
can you post some vanguard samples pre and post using spectralive?
thanks a lot! |
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| randysandy |
| Yes ofcourse, but how and where do I post it, I'm new to these forums? |
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| qiushiming |
actually...taking another look at this and playing with it...
isnt this just like a simple, beginner's mastering plug-in? is t-racks better? |
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| RiCo |
| You can bounce your stuff and cut it every 40 bars and apply Voxengo demos to them...since they have like a 30 second limit before they go blank. That's what I did before buying the full versions. |
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| Axolotyl |
| I've used Voxegenos Sonic Finaliser before. Really good for opening up the high end and making the top ends of a mix really jump out at you. I found it complemented the heavy compression of vintage warmer pretty well which seems to work wonders for the mid to lower end of the spectrum =) |
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