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| deknician |
| quote: | Originally posted by kr00t0n
Also, to say DJ Sammy - Heaven and something like Lost Tribe - Gamemaster are comparable is utterly laughable.
Want to be really underground? Here's a shovel, 6 feet would be greatly appreciated. :p |
Thank you. :D |
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| auranaut |
| So, are Delerium - Silence and Heaven comparable? Oceanlab - Satellite? Those vocal tracks I mentioned off of the Tiesto and Ferry albums, which you insist on ignoring? Why don't we just skip the vocals, it all fits under the same description anyway. Rank 1 - Airwave... DJ Sammy - Heaven... it's the same . |
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| SYSTEM-J |
| quote: | Originally posted by auranaut
So, are Delerium - Silence and Heaven comparable? Oceanlab - Satellite? Those vocal tracks I mentioned off of the Tiesto and Ferry albums, which you insist on ignoring? Why don't we just skip the vocals, it all fits under the same description anyway. Rank 1 - Airwave... DJ Sammy - Heaven... it's the same . |
Tiesto's mix of Silence is actually a very good track. Read this for my reasons why. The others you mentioned are cack though. However, Heaven has the distinction of being a straight-up cover- Sammy didn't write any part of the track, and as far as cover versions go, it's crapply done. |
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| auranaut |
| quote: | Originally posted by SYSTEM-J
Tiesto's mix of Silence is actually a very good track. Read this for my reasons why. The others you mentioned are cack though. However, Heaven has the distinction of being a straight-up cover- Sammy didn't write any part of the track, and as far as cover versions go, it's crapply done. |
Silence is a good track, but it's still Epic trance. |
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| dinoXpress |
. dj sammy is is so dated.
go back to 1998 or 97 whenever the it was released. |
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| SYSTEM-J |
| quote: | Originally posted by auranaut
Silence is a good track, but it's still Epic trance. |
I wouldn't call DJ Sammy epic trance. The emphasis isn't on a central anthem, the breakdown isn't anywhere near as important and the track arrangement is more like that of a pop song. |
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| auranaut |
| quote: | Originally posted by SYSTEM-J
I wouldn't call DJ Sammy epic trance. The emphasis isn't on a central anthem, the breakdown isn't anywhere near as important and the track arrangement is more like that of a pop song. |
But isn't there a full-length version of Heaven? |
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| paranoik0 |
| i'm more underground than u all. |
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| SYSTEM-J |
| quote: | Originally posted by auranaut
But isn't there a full-length version of Heaven? |
There's probably an "Extended" version, with DJ friendly intros and outros. That still doesn't take away the structuring of the track- everything just gets looped a bit more. If you listen to Radio Edits of epic trance tracks, they always keep the breakdown in as a pivotal part of the track, which Heaven does not. |
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| SYSTEM-J |
| quote: | Originally posted by Aiwendil
unfortunately it's not so much the duration of the breakdown that counts it epic trance, but how the breakdown is used. |
That's my point. A longer version of the track doesn't change its genre. |
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| kr00t0n |
| quote: | Originally posted by Aiwendil
they are comparable in that they're both trance, but they're not the same subgenre. |
Under that premise, you could compare Ralphie B - Massive (D Ramirez) [Kinda tribal progressive house] to Dr Kucho - Lies To Yourself [Funky/deep house] because they both fall into the House genre, but different subgenres?
I dont agree...
It'd be like comparing milk and cheese as they are both dairy |
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| Zombie0915 |
I think the sheer amount of people who enjoy ferry and tiesto and all that, yet can't stand Dj Sammy, is evidence enough to show that the tracks are not all that similar.
This of course can be faced by the amount of people who enjoy them both and mix them together(blasphemers!):stongue:
its kinda refreshing though, arguing about dj sammy instead of armin for a change.
The main difference is the target market, sammy be going for the kids who listen to the radio, the kids at the high schools, the kids who find raving as a rite of passage for their teenage reballion against nothing.
Armin, Ferry, and the like, they seem to be more party-focused than pop star focused. I mean, sure the two focuses overlap to some extent, cuz it isnt much of a party unless you can attract a crowd, but alot of the crowd is not that same dj sammy crowd, alot of that crowd are seasoned party veterans, people who come to dance and have fun instead of being the cool teenager at the high school who listens to the electronic pop on the radio. Sammy imitated them, cuz he hants to penetrate that market too.
Tiesto I agree, is going away from the party crowd market toward the pop radio market, and it seems like some of the other trancers are moving in this direction as well.
But is all of epic trance pop because this is happening? That is a tough one to call. |
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