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| ::TranceVanDyk:: |
| quote: | Originally posted by nic01445
Which wars and regimes are you refering to?
Well, in fairness to us non-theists, while Hitler himself might not have been "christian," the idea of clensing the world of non-Aryans did in some part have to do with exterminating non-christians. |
since we are refering to hitler, ill use him. he was an avid evolutionist, and atheist. look at his laws. his doctrines. the "Master Race". this goes hand and hand with Natural Selection. the euthanasia of the mentally handicapped. this was considered by his regime to be cleansing the gene pool. this is evolution in total control.
what i got out of your statement was that even though hitler was not a christian, he sided with the christians secretly to exterminate those who were non-christian...that's farce. |
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| tiesto14 |
You know the Bible has caused more hate and persecution than any other book; more suffering than any other disease. And you know the Bible has always been the greatest enemy of human progress, of science, of culture and learning; the greatest enemy of morality, liberty, and justice in the world.
If you know any history at all, you know Christianity and the Bible has not only failed to maintain peace, you know they have been entirely responsible for the most bloody and unnecessary wars of history. Christianity is founded upon fear and is perpetuated by fear.
In the NT, as in the OT, we could go on and on quoting cruel, foolish sayings from the God. Words of hate and vengeance! Words to frighten and oppress! They are words to destroy reason and to make the human mind a slave.
They believe because they are afraid to think, afraid to question. They believe simply because they are afraid not to believe!They are to be pitied. I could never be a Christian.
A person so afraid that he doesn't think, he just falls down and grovels before a tyrant. Only a coward could blindly worship the murderous, bloody, vengeful tyrant that the Bible describes as God.
For 2000 years Christianity and the Bible has failed to bring peace and harmony to our world. Those who knew the Bible was not "the word of God" had the wisdom to establish America as a free nation; Those who knew the Bible is not "the word of God" have given us every great advance in science and reason; And those who know the Bible is not "the word of God are the only ones who can lead mankind to peace and human survival. |
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| tiesto14 |
| quote: | Originally posted by ::TranceVanDyk::
since we are refering to hitler, ill use him. he was an avid evolutionist, and atheist. look at his laws. his doctrines. the "Master Race". this goes hand and hand with Natural Selection. the euthanasia of the mentally handicapped. this was considered by his regime to be cleansing the gene pool. this is evolution in total control.
what i got out of your statement was that even though hitler was not a christian, he sided with the christians secretly to exterminate those who were non-christian...that's farce. |
He beleived he was doing the work of God...
And he was not an atheist...he was a pagan. |
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| George Smiley |
| quote: | Originally posted by tiesto14
Hence today I believe that I am acting in accordance with the will of the Almighty Creator: by defending myself against evil, I am fighting for the work of the Lord. Adolf Hitler (Mein Kampf)
Religion:rolleyes: |
Can't say that I have ever read Mein Kampf personally, but are you seriously trying to suggest that Hitler invaded Poland to go on some kind of Jihad? There is a difference between actions done by religious people, and people doing actions because of religion. Believing that what you are doing would be classed as ok by God does not mean that you are doing that action because of God does it? Hitler invaded Poland cos Germany was on an imperialist mission. He was nationalist and thought Germany should be better than it was (effects of Treaty of Versailles etc) Bush has invaded Iraq not because he is on a Jihad, but for security or economic reasons.
When a religious person eats a sandwich, is that done because that person is religious? Or because he is hungary and would have eaten the sarnie whether he was religious or not? |
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| tiesto14 |
| quote: | Originally posted by George Smiley
Can't say that I have ever read Mein Kampf personally, but are you seriously trying to suggest that Hitler invaded Poland to go on some kind of Jihad? There is a difference between actions done by religious people, and people doing actions because of religion. Believing that what you are doing would be classed as ok by God does not mean that you are doing that action because of God does it? Hitler invaded Poland cos Germany was on an imperialist mission. He was nationalist and thought Germany should be better than it was (effects of Treaty of Versailles etc) Bush has invaded Iraq not because he is on a Jihad, but for security or economic reasons.
When a religious person eats a sandwich, is that done because that person is religious? Or because he is hungary and would have eaten the sarnie whether he was religious or not? |
I know what u mean....but his religous views WERE part of his final solution...whether u wanna double tlak about it or not. |
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| George Smiley |
| quote: | Originally posted by tiesto14
You know the Bible has caused more hate and persecution than any other book; more suffering than any other disease. |
Like the bubonic plague, for example? |
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| George Smiley |
| quote: | Originally posted by tiesto14
I know what u mean....but his religous views WERE part of his final solution...whether u wanna double tlak about it or not. |
But in order to say WW2 happened because of religion, it has to be the REASON for that conflict, it wasn't, full stop |
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| tiesto14 |
| quote: | Originally posted by George Smiley
Like the bubonic plague, for example? |
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I would say religion has...maybe not just the bible...but religion...yes. |
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| tiesto14 |
| quote: | Originally posted by George Smiley
But in order to say WW2 happened because of religion, it has to be the REASON for that conflict, it wasn't, full stop |
What i am saying is that Hitler beleived he was doing the work of God with his final solution. |
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| enferno |
ever been up a creek without a pontiff?
neither have i. |
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| ::TranceVanDyk:: |
| quote: | Originally posted by tiesto14
What i am saying is that Hitler beleived he was doing the work of God with his final solution. |
actually, hitler's final solution dealt with the theoretical problem of the Master Race. which goes hand in hand with evolution in that the nordic race of men were superior to all others on earth. the strong live and weak die. the weak only hurt the strong, so they must be eliminated. hitler viewed the jews as an inferior people above all other so-called inferior races. and so, they had the unfortunate priority in the assembly line of death.
im curious to know what page that statement about the will of god is, not that im doubting it. just because one declares himself doing the will of god doesnt mean he actually is doing the will of god. and if hitler was doing the will of god, why did he oppress the christian church? the nazi regime was an atheistic dictatorship. the master race was said to be much more evolved than the other races, which goes by evolutionary theory. |
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| MisterOpus1 |
| quote: | Originally posted by ::TranceVanDyk::
actually, hitler's final solution dealt with the theoretical problem of the Master Race. which goes hand in hand with evolution in that the nordic race of men were superior to all others on earth. the strong live and weak die. the weak only hurt the strong, so they must be eliminated. hitler viewed the jews as an inferior people above all other so-called inferior races. and so, they had the unfortunate priority in the assembly line of death. |
Hand in hand with evolution?
Good one, Heinz. Please explain how the perverted form of evolution that was derived by madmen like Hitler has ANYTHING in any way to do with the biological form of evolution, i.e. the change in allele frequencies in a population over time.
| quote: | | the nazi regime was an atheistic dictatorship. |
Yes, this sounds like an atheist, doesn't it?:
| quote: | "I believe that I am acting in accordance with the will of the Almighty Creator: by defending myself against the Jew, I am fighting for the work of the Lord.."
Mein Kampf |
Not that I think that his version of Christianity was correct nor very consistent with Jesus' teachings in any way, but he sure did, and he was anything but an atheist:
http://www.nobeliefs.com/Hitler1.htm
| quote: | | the master race was said to be much more evolved than the other races, which goes by evolutionary theory. |
Why am I not surprised that you still continue to know jack about evolutionary theory? |
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