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| Kev Boy |
I was talking about Oakenfold's (note the proper spelling, No J!)overall contribution to dance music, in reply to someone calling him Jokenfold, which I don't understand?? Why?? Is he good at telling jokes or has a wicked stand up routine?
He was the best DJ in the world when he concentrated on his DJing,and played at the best better then most. He is in the Guiness Book of Records as the world's most successful DJ, so how can he be a joke? Don't get it.
His contribution to dance music is massive, bigger than most, probably greater than 99% of so called superstar DJs. I don't understand why people don't get that, or appreciate it.
His record label was unrivalled in the mid-90s for melodic and goa trance, apart from HOOJ Choons nothing has come close since.
I've already talked about his work with bands, so they must have thought he wasn't a joke! or are The Stone Roses, The Happy Mondays and U2 a joke as well? Did Ian Brown and John Squire co-write stuff? Naughty boys! They must be a joke as well!
Yeah, production wise he works with a partner, but most people do. I'm not saying he's the best producer ever, just that he's contributed to some fine tunes and albums. You might as well dismiss the Beatles (my fav band) as a joke as Paul McCartney and John Lennon co-wrote songs! What about Sasha who had Mr Jamieson or Sutton or another guy called Gaetan Schurer (not sure about spelling) doing the co-production? Does that make him Joke-asha?? Not many people in any industry do anything on their own, and I'm assuming Oakenfold has learned a thing or 2 over the past 15 years about production! His input must be important?? or maybe he just sits there making the other guy laugh with his jokes!
He is now doing film scores which is about as good as it gets (ok, prob not on his own). I met the guys from Hybrid and they say its really difficult, dance msuic is a breeze compared with films, and that its gonna take 2-5 years to get one on their own!
All the above apart, he is one of the best business men in the game, hence his fortune and fame, and remember it is a business. That cleverness and business sense/acumen does not come from someone who is a joke!! The exact opposite actually. I'm sure he's gutted and can't sleep at night in his LA pad, that whoever calls him a joke! |
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| K.I.K.E. |
| Well, the best producer is out of the poll: M.I.K.E. |
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| vinnie97 |
| quote: | | What about Sasha who had Mr Jamieson or Sutton or another guy called Gaetan Schurer (not sure about spelling) doing the co-production? Does that make him Joke-asha?? |
Yes, because the opaque sounds of "his" productions; they all sound entirely too reminiscent of his production partners, for instance, Charlie May's solo output..."Xpander" rips off a riff from Spooky's "Little Bullet" from 6 years earlier. Meanwhile, the true musicians/producers get overshadowed by the media presence and god-like worshipping of the "DJ."
I won't deny Oakie's a good businessman but I have serious doubts about his skills as a producer, simply for, again, the many coproducers he's hired on to assist and the sound that they have taken on. The Beatles comparison is not even analogical because they were a collective while Oakie gives out the impression he's some sort of solo production guru who knows how to mix a few records, big deal!
Oakenfold is not an incredible DJ by any stretch of the imagination, he was just one of the first "supastars." He is clearly going through the motions today, as evidenced by recent eyewitness accounts of him slacking off behind the decks and carelessly mixing between tracks. He no longer cares, it is clearly for the money, etc. I won't show my support (or suck up, in your case) for someone like that, no matter their prior contributions and yes, JOKENFOLD aka Monkey Man are good aliases for him at this juncture. I could care less what he's doing in LA, the capital of vanity.
I have to give Nick Warren 10 times more credit than either of the above fellows for his genuinity. He doesn't do a co-production with Jody Wisternoff and ONLY list "Nick Warren" as the artist; instead (and like the Beatles), he uses an alias to represent them both, thereby giving credit where it's due. |
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| Unique2701 |
| Ferry definitely |
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| FCB_Fanatic |
| quote: | Originally posted by K.I.K.E.
Well, the best producer is out of the poll: M.I.K.E. |
I Totally agree with you :) |
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| wertho |
| Hmmm i would have loved to see l-vee or oliver lieb on the list at least.. And if u were talking abt popularity maybe PVD and AVB shld have been on the list as well.. But i would prob choose tiesto (suburban train), BT (mercury n solace) and ferry (out of the blue tho overplayed) out of the list.. I tink i'll settle with ferry. |
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| Kev Boy |
Vinne97, fair enough dude, you don't like Okay. Thats your opinion, and I respect it. But i have some problems with your argument.
So you say he's a joke because of his co-productions and that he doesn't give others credit for and because he doesn't care now about DJing.
You say that you don't care what he's done in the past, but without a past there is no present or future, so it matters a helluva lot. You must admit he has had some good previous achievements and contributions that don't make him a joke surely?
Assuming that you like trance, have you listened to his mix Cds from say 94-99? Certainly not a joke! Some of the best tunes I have ever heard, and the Goa mix remains unrivalled. you'll say that 1 mix doesn't make you a whatever, but there are lots of great CDs, not good ones, but great.
If its ONLY his current day career that makes him a joke, then thats up to you, but you can't deny his track record, or Sasha's either. I don't like Sasha anymore either, saw him play twice recently and he stood there motionless so I take your point on that. I've seen Oaky as well, and he is still putting on the patter. even if it is forced.
But insulting somebody for the way they look is just childish (eg monkey man).
Also agree, Nick Warren is fantastic, but to say Oakenfold has given no credit to others in production is just plain wrong!
Aliases: Element 4, Grace, State of Grace, Virus, Planet Perfecto, Perfecto allstarz, B Real, Wild Colour, Rise, Bunker, Electra, Movement 98.
So, I can't take your point on that!!
Current day, yes, he uses his name, but thats to sell records, and I'm sure his partner isn't complaining as they get more money off the back of his name than some made up alias that nobody knows who it is. And his name is down to him, making himself who he is, making himself a superstar, promoting trance music for over 10 years worldwide, constant touring.
Thats through hard graft, determination and vision.
Hypnotised single had Oakenfold ft Tiff Lacey on the front, Southern Sun had Oakenfold ft Carla Werner??
you must give credit where credits due, there must be something you agree with me upon! lol What about Perfecto records in its heyday, you must have liked that!
You're gonna say that all thats all in the past too, but you just can't ignore it! Current day oaky isn't nearly as good, I admit it, but not as bad as people say. |
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| vinnie97 |
lol, yes, I liked Tranceport, I admit it. Happy? ;) (yes, the Goa mixes were probably his pinnacle...and those storytelling radio show mixes he did were pretty unique) AND I really liked his "remix" of Amoeba Assassin's "Rollercoaster." I just have my doubts on his merits as a producer. I agree with you that the past held some memorable moments worthy of recognition, mainly and especially in his DJ'ing efforts. :)
Yes, insulting someone based on their looks is immature but it seems to fit his image these days, one of falling from credibility. Just my humble opinion. |
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| Kev Boy |
| Nice one dude. Glad we agree on some things. I am a bit biased i admit as I used to go to Cream in 97-98 when it was brilliant. |
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| elektrikal |
| thats typical the bigger trance producers are above BT, granted I love corsten, I think BT had a HUGE hand in the progressive trance movement, using proper vocals in his songs and remixing pop songs into sweeping trance remixes, like wut GnD did w/ McLachlan's Fallen still isn't as good as what BT did w/ her I Love You track. |
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| sthus |
BT is a rad producer, i still can't get over how much i love pretty much all of his work, they played Ride the other night at Home and i'm not gonna lie i nearly creamed my pants :P
Great to see the threads still kickin and teistos nto winning :P
Err ... 1 more thing, remember these are just opinions of people, so what if someone likes red more than blue, they're not wrong, its just a matter of who likes what more |
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