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why is it hard to successfully run a night anymore? (pg. 3)
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| Paulie |
| I think we focus too much on music personally. The reason the biggest nites in melbourne are hand bag house, is cause everything is right. The vibe, the people, the club etc etc. The music is the lowest of worries for general public. Remember being educated about the music we are the minority, and us alone cant be expected to determine a nite. Get people talking about your nite, wanting to come to your nite... this includes nazi door policies etc etc. |
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| jizza |
| quote: | Originally posted by sezzy
we can diss them all we want, but they must be doing something right! |
we?
ps. its just "house". no handbag. |
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| eRRaTiK |
handbag house draws all the chix0rs here.
consequently draws all the posers in trucker hats that can't handle their liquor. |
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| DaveBegic |
| house. seriously.. it in the ass with paulie's dick. |
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| jizza |
| davey baby, can you plz be a sweetheart and bring sum KY on ur way home from work. thanks hun. |
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| Teknoscaper. |
| Crowds have dropped off across the board no matter what music it is. The fact of the matter is, people no longer feel the need to physically leave their living rooms in order to have a good time. Its safer, easier & cheaper. |
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| Renegade |
Is there actually any evidence that crowd numbers have dropped off? I wouldn't mind betting that there are more "punters" today than there were 3 years ago. Only problem is, due to the increase in nights, they just might be spread a bit more thinly than before.
As for the "everyone wants to be a DJ" thing:
| quote: | Originally posted by Joshva
It's an interesting point you have raised. JAFP ran a survery late last year of our clubbers. Of 130 people surveyed a whopping 50% either was a DJ or aspired to be a DJ. It's a pretty phenomenal statistic. |
Pretty big statistic, sure, but probably not all that suprising. If you love the music, it's only natural that you'd want to be actively involved in it. I'm sure if you went to a rock night, you'd find that 50% of people are either involved in a band, play an instrument or at least "aspire" to do one of these things. Like I said, if you love the music, why wouldn't you want to be involved in playing it to other people?
Besides, if genuinely 50% of the punters are into music enough to spend thousands of dollars on equipment and vinyl, surely they'd be more likely to come out to nights that play their sort of music? I mean, of all the aspirational DJs here, most go out more often to trance nights (or just EDM events generally) than the average punter, right? |
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| pasocon-otaku |
clubbing aint what it used to be - things change
luckily i'm way ahead of the curve on the next big thing - prostitution. you never know who you'll meet, and with private health cover so cheap these days, rough customers are worth it :)
when the corner gets old we can be jaded and watch My Own Private Idaho at home instead.
hell, everyone's dressing like 80s trash these days anyway, might as well act it. |
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| S_madis |
| quote: | Originally posted by Paulie
I think we focus too much on music personally. The reason the biggest nites in melbourne are hand bag house, is cause everything is right. The vibe, the people, the club etc etc. The music is the lowest of worries for general public. Remember being educated about the music we are the minority, and us alone cant be expected to determine a nite. Get people talking about your nite, wanting to come to your nite... this includes nazi door policies etc etc. |
couldn't have said it better myself! In Sydney look how big events like SOS and Kink are! the punters couldn't give a damn about 'which dj is playing' or how uplifting, super dooper, brain busting the music is going to be, or how many lasers are going to be at the next event! all they are after is a good vibe, friendly faces (this does not include anyone that takes their shirt off and has a hit of Stanazol for breakfast). These essential elements are fundamentally created by anything associated with house music and not trance. Trance in the view wider public seen as 'the music of junkies' I quote "you must be on drugs to listen to that music". No matter which way you look at it, this will always be the view of the majority and no matter how hard we try to 'educate' people, that perception will always remain. |
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| christos |
honestly the wrong people have been running the wrong nights for too long causing people to lose interest. Years ago, techno, trance you name it was big - hand bag house as we come to call this new sublet genre was non existant. Sign of the times kiddos, not saying i'm old, but been around long enough to know why it really has become the way it has.
When EPTAS (and the early days of War of the worlds) died back in the day, so did the dance community massive in general - they all resorted to clubs and dodgy nights with focus on $$$ and not on making sure that people had a night that was solely about them having a great night out. It's amazing how back then there wasn't a stone un turned for nights - everything was thoroughly thought out. These days people use the 'we'll get by without' syndrome knowing full well they'll only resort to pulling a certain crowd and that's it!
But anyway - it's on the mend and it's getting back to a level where we can once again enjoy the music with a platform designed to keep the people attending welcome, home like and comfortable. Afterall my house is your house is your house is mine!
Let's bring Oliver Lieb vs Thomas Heckmann back anyday - man those def. were the days!
DO IT! |
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| Light The Fuse |
| quote: | Originally posted by DaveBegic
so jules what you're telling me is nights that dont just play epic trance are jam packed every week in and week out?
please name me some places that are supposedly this successful. |
you cant have a night of straight up epic trance from 10-7...its just not gunna werk...look at the sant trans pretty succesful, but the music grows peaks from about 1-4 and by the end its either almost tech or it goes into that warped sorta ubik style. This used to work week in week out 4 or so years ago...no reason why it cant again.
why is it any harder...hundreds of kids turn 18 and wanna go out every day? there is a market that will always be there - it just has to be marketed right
zos works week in, week out, and if papa smurf decided to make it an epic trance night..it'd still work because as Paulie said there is too much focus on promoting the nights as musical extravaganzas and not just being awesome fun - bang on the money. |
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| queen_vee |
because promotion for trance nights is e.
because different crews are competing against each other when there's not enough punters to go around.
because the focus is often purely on the music being underground/innovative/original and steering well clear from the 'cheesy' accessible anthems in case knowledgable trance fans hang on you.
well that for trance, it's taken me a while to realise this... but it's ruining the entire scene. why bother putting on nights when you only half fill a club... and only with the cliquey promoters and their mates at that anyway? if promoters aren't willing to put in a decent effort to attract regular club goers who are only out for a good night, and not necessarily the music, then stick to private funtions like house parties where you'll get the 'right crowd' who will truly and deeply appreciate the education the music gives them. |
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