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Dervish
Come lets be real here, if you want to people fine, if you don't fine. But taking either camp says nothing about you, it is only a choice.
nchs09
go get some ass...........................


i know i havent in a while :(
DJ RJT
quote:
Originally posted by Orbax
Morality and religion are seperate friend. Dont put words in my mouth. Ethical and Moral actions can be labeled, judged, and measured. And your "premise" of "If you can you should" is one of the stupidest ing things Ive ever heard. Go duct tape a chop stick into the oven sensor and bake your head at 400 degrees for a few hours. You were meant to, thats why you can.


" I urge you to open your eyes and start making decisions that are rationally and logically through your own eyes, not through what you've been told by social authority figures... "

uhm...riiiiight.


ROFL... you obviously missed the point...

It's not a because we can, we should premise, it's a simple fact of life. People have sex to perpetuate the human race, it's not dirty or sinful, it's natural...

And while I agree that religion and morals are two different things, people who can differentiate the two tend not to boast about their moral high ground...

quote:
logically speaking, u are just as close-minded as we are


You keep telling yourself that... you're the one making blatantly close-minded statements along the lines of:

quote:
our morality is currupt. todays world proves that


WTF does that even mean? I'll agree, there are some terrible things going on in the world right now (i.e. The Middle East, AIDS, basically everything that's happening in Africa, teh Bush administration, etc.) But I'll tell you this much, don't tell me I'm morally corrupt just because things in the world aren't how you think they should be...

I'll tell you guys this much, in my opinion, if all of you "TA Virgins" were really secure in your virginity and happy with where you lives are at, this thread would never have been created...

People with real convictions don't need others to validate them...
DJ RJT
quote:
Originally posted by OurManFlint
Think about what you just said.


If this statement is true, then anybody who has ever done anything rational or logical through their own eyes is ok? Even criminals or rapists?


...

You have got to be kidding me... I'm throroughly convinced 90% of TA's are either:

A. Younger than 18 years old, and lacking any formal Philospohical Education (And here come the "Actually I'm a Graduate student in Philosophy lies from the TiT's...)

or

B. Just straight up not smart enough to think about things in any other terms than literal...

And I'm outta this ridiculously pointless thread...
djmetatron


^^^this, is propaganda. Virginity means absolutely nothing, there is so much grey area here it's not funny. What about rape victims, what about just being drunk and not remembering, what about homosexuality? I think people put too much emphasis on ing and not enough on the relationships. Sex is simply a benefit of a relationship, not the end-all dealbreaker that you make it out to be. Sure people become more attatched after ing and if you dont want to go there fine, but dont parade your virginity around like your better than others who have made that leap.
DJ RJT
quote:
Originally posted by djmetatron


^^^this, is propaganda. Virginity means absolutely nothing, there is so much grey area here it's not funny. What about rape victims, what about just being drunk and not remembering, what about homosexuality? I think people put too much emphasis on ing and not enough on the relationships. Sex is simply a benefit of a relationship, not the end-all dealbreaker that you make it out to be. Sure people become more attatched after ing and if you dont want to go there fine, but dont parade your virginity around like your better than others who have made that leap.


Alright, I know I said I was outta here, but damn Metatron, you hit the ing nail on the head...
OurManFlint
quote:
Originally posted by DJ RJT
...

You have got to be kidding me... I'm throroughly convinced 90% of TA's are either:

A. Younger than 18 years old, and lacking any formal Philospohical Education (And here come the "Actually I'm a Graduate student in Philosophy lies from the TiT's...)

or

B. Just straight up not smart enough to think about things in any other terms than literal...

And I'm outta this ridiculously pointless thread...
I'm not a philosophy graduate, but a current student of it, so I can't look at simple literal statements without breaking them apart logically.
::TranceVanDyk::
woah woah woah, this was originally meant as light-hearted fun. soon turns into a philosophical debate.

quote:
You keep telling yourself that... you're the one making blatantly close-minded statements along the lines of:

quote:
our morality is currupt. todays world proves that


WTF does that even mean? I'll agree, there are some terrible things going on in the world right now (i.e. The Middle East, AIDS, basically everything that's happening in Africa, teh Bush administration, etc.) But I'll tell you this much, don't tell me I'm morally corrupt just because things in the world aren't how you think they should be...

I'll tell you guys this much, in my opinion, if all of you "TA Virgins" were really secure in your virginity and happy with where you lives are at, this thread would never have been created...

People with real convictions don't need others to validate them...


im not telling myself anything. im not stating anything to myself but to you and the other people reading this. theres no need for the serious personal assaults here. pity this turned sour.

if your not morally currupt, are u telling me, youve never lied, stolen, cheated, etc.? if u havnt, u can truelly say, that you are morally incurruptable.

br0, this is COR, we make stupid threads and alliances all the time. nothin wrong with a virginity alliance. light-hearted fun. COR COR COR, there is no seriousness to this forum. go make yourself a playa's alliance or somethin. join in the fun. u dont have to bash it.

if u dont "need" to validate any of your convictions, then how much validity do u have when u state your convictions and dont know why u believe in those convictions. if u dont know why u believe something, then your beliefs are based on nothing but faith and faith doesnt cut it.

u dont need a philosophy major to debate philosophy. u just have to be well informed and know your beliefs and why u believe them.

PS. lighten up m8;) ;)
Orbax
Damn, I thought virgins were supposed to be the close minded ones haha.

Guys, #1 its a joke, dont come in and talk about and then not know these guys' histories. You dont know mine or TVDs yet I do, weird. Maybe cuz ive been here 3 years and actually have something to stand on.
You turned a relatively light hearted discussion into a ... I dont even know what

apparently,,,youre...MORE moral? or that morality is bs? I cant quite make the equation you are of "this is propaganda" therefore all virgins everywhere should go get ed.

I dont know its just bull... on both sides.

PS yes, I studied philosophy for 2 years. weeeeeeeeee. The proof is in the pudding though as they say, and whether or not youve taken formal logic has nothing to do with how logical you are or your arguments are.

Take you for example. Bringing up age like its a sure fire way to prove something. Or that a TiT will claim it there fore the TiT must be lying and is neccesarily un taught in logic...

A LOT of assumptions goin on there.

Point of all this is that you seem offended by the fact some people are glad they dodged the bullet with some ty relationships, yet look forward to a sexually active fulfilling one in the future.

How is that wrong or close minded? Or is your argument you cant know love till youve rammed a into a wet hole until you orgasmed.

PPS Stormy Waters would tell you to "shutuuup" you made him cry you crappy bastard
Orbax
quote:
Originally posted by djmetatron


^^^this, is propaganda. Virginity means absolutely nothing, there is so much grey area here it's not funny. What about rape victims, what about just being drunk and not remembering, what about homosexuality? I think people put too much emphasis on ing and not enough on the relationships. Sex is simply a benefit of a relationship, not the end-all dealbreaker that you make it out to be. Sure people become more attatched after ing and if you dont want to go there fine, but dont parade your virginity around like your better than others who have made that leap.



Ill lord whatever the I want, over anyone I ing want to chiefy. And if you disagree. I . Will. Fight. You.


and I think youre the twisted who would castigate a rape victim for not being a virgin. I never even THOUGHT of that.

Sunsnail
quote:
Originally posted by ::TranceVanDyk::
woah woah woah, this was originally meant as light-hearted fun. soon turns into a philosophical debate.



im not telling myself anything. im not stating anything to myself but to you and the other people reading this. theres no need for the serious personal assaults here. pity this turned sour.

if your not morally currupt, are u telling me, youve never lied, stolen, cheated, broken a law consiously, etc.? if u havnt, u can truelly say, that you are morally incurruptable.



I'm not sure if I can agree with you there. Breaking a law in general doesn't have anything to do with morality. There are some really stupid laws out there. A government can really make any laws it pleases, but it doesn't mean that they're moral etc.
prolikewhoa
quote:
Originally posted by djmetatron


^^^this, is propaganda. Virginity means absolutely nothing, there is so much grey area here it's not funny. What about rape victims, what about just being drunk and not remembering, what about homosexuality? I think people put too much emphasis on ing and not enough on the relationships. Sex is simply a benefit of a relationship, not the end-all dealbreaker that you make it out to be. Sure people become more attatched after ing and if you dont want to go there fine, but dont parade your virginity around like your better than others who have made that leap.


i agree with this. i respect everyone's right to wait or to not wait, but neither decision makes you better than anyone else.

it's a personal choice, and it shouldn't be paraded around as a public bandwagon. i know it's all in good fun, though, so i'm not gonna stress it. you virgins know i <3 ya (you know who you are).
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