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NIMBYs protest Tim Hortons (pg. 3)
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| ShadoWolf |
in fairness to Canada, unemployment is low compared to Poland or Slovakia :eyespop: :eyespop:
although still higher than in the U.S. :D |
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| infinity HiGH |
| quote: | Originally posted by ShadoWolf
in fairness to Canada, unemployment is low compared to Poland or Slovakia :eyespop: :eyespop:
although still higher than in the U.S. :D |
It's not that Canada has it bad, we got REALLY good compared to other countries.
The problem lies in the fact that we're not even close to being as "1st world" as we'd like ourselves, and the rest of the world to believe.
And in 50-60 years, Poland will definately be above Canada at the rate we're going. |
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| ShadoWolf |
| quote: | Originally posted by infinity HiGH
The problem lies in the fact that we're not even close to being as "1st world" as we'd like ourselves, and the rest of the world to believe. |
I call it the Canada Myth.
| quote: | | And in 50-60 years, Poland will definately be above Canada at the rate we're going. |
I don't doubt that for a second. ;)
that is, if France keeps its statist hands off Poland :whip: |
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| Jayx1 |
| quote: | Originally posted by infinity HiGH
The problem lies in the fact that we're not even close to being as "1st world" as we'd like ourselves, and the rest of the world to believe.
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EXACTLY!!!!
which is why people refuse to admit that we have a corruption problem |
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| malek |
| quote: | Originally posted by infinity HiGH
And in 50-60 years, Poland will definately be above Canada at the rate we're going. |
woaaah thats a very gross statment, obviously you're just saying whatever here with all due respect.
at the rate CHINA is going right NOW, (9,1% in 2004), it'll take them 50 years to reach a somewhat mid-devlopped country. And its the Chinese govt itself proclaiming that.
Keep in mind that it'll be a feat to keep that 9 to 10% expansion for 50 YEARS straight.
So Poland with their excellent 5.6% (2004) growth rate has a looooooong way before it reaches the kinds of Canada.
purchasing power parity in USD (PPP) is good indication of quality of life
Cuba: $3,000 (2004 est.)
China: $5,600 (2004 est.)
Poland: $12,000 (2004 est.)
UAE (Dubai): $25,200 (2004 est.)
Japan: $29,400 (2004 est.)
Canada: $31,500 (2004 est.)
USA: $40,100 (2004 est.)
Luxembourg: $58,900 (2004 est.) |
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| Jayx1 |
Here is an excerp from a Toronto star story about this tim hortons:
| quote: | | Nothing is less imaginative than a Tim Hortons," said Sally Gibson, who has lived in Cabbagetown since 1991. Gibson, like many of the other community members, attended last night's meeting to plead with the new owner to preserve the building and find an imaginative use for the space. Gibson suggested opening a boutique hotel. |
OK Sally Gibson. If you are convinced a Boutique hotel is such a brilliant idea for the area i invite you to put your money where your mouth is and go for it. If you are so confident about what business will and will not work in the neighbourhood then what is stopping you?
NIMBYs are such idiots... |
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| MarkT |
| quote: | Originally posted by ShadoWolf
historic quarter my ass!
This isn't Montreal we're talking about... it's Cabbagetown - armpit of downtown Toronto. If any part of Toronto begs for renewal, it's this one.
Hell, even Parkdale's improved over the years. |
if it's the armpit of Toronto, then why (as I already mentioned) did Cabbagetown enjoyed the highest % increase in property values last year?
A piece of a Jan. 14/05 Globe & Mail article linked from U of Waterloo's Heritage Resources Centre:
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...Price rise steepest in Cabbagetown at 20%
On the scalding-hot steam table that is Toronto's real estate market, cabbage seems to be the plat du jour.
The eclectic downtown neighbourhood of Cabbagetown has been the hottest spot in the city's housing market in the past year, with the average sale price for two-storey homes rising a full 20 per cent, according to market research by Royal LePage Real Estate Services.
Owners who bought cheap in the 1970s, when a whiff of simmering cabbage still hung over the then-working-class neighbourhood, are now making pots of money by selling their renovated and expanded properties, said Dianne Usher, Toronto area manager for Royal LePage.
"There's a great sense of community [in Cabbagetown]; it's like living in a small town within this great city," Ms. Usher said?... |
you're welcome to try to argue with market results though...
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| Jayx1 |
No doubt that cabbagetown is going through transition. Hence the reason why businesses like Tim Hortons are looking to move in. The residents who are bitching are the ironically the ones that have iniated this change by driving up the property values. All the down and out stores who survived based on cheap rent will have to actually be viable now or close their doors. Thats the way business works.
I still say Sally and those like her should open up their own businesses in Cabbagetown since they seem to know what should and should not be there. |
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| ShadoWolf |
| quote: | Originally posted by MarkT
if it's the armpit of Toronto, then why (as I already mentioned) did Cabbagetown enjoyed the highest % increase in property values last year?
A piece of a Jan. 14/05 Globe & Mail article linked from U of Waterloo's Heritage Resources Centre:
you're welcome to try to argue with market results though...
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Percentage change may have been highest, but not the actual values.
That statistic, and the news about Timmies, may indicate the beginning of the renewal of the area. But at the moment, it's still the worst area downtown.
Cabbagetown is also getting popular with gays who want to escape the Village and "move on up." That will drive prices up, but again, the base is lower than other areas.
Also, I'd like to see crime statistics, because that's probably a better indicator of a "bad area."
I once dated someone who lived in the area.. he lived off Dundas. This one time at night, I took a cab from Parliament to just Yonge... true story. So many gang members on Dundas...
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| Matt |
does the world really need another Tim Hortons?
If the neighbourhood doesn't want it... don't put one there? |
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| MarkT |
Jayx1, how can you make such ridiculous assumptions without even knowing who these people are?
for all you know, the bulk of the complainers might be long time residents...many might even have been regulars at the Winchester!
I guess the whole Toronto Star article could be posted instead of quoting one woman...that even 200 people would gather to discuss the future of a building indicates to me that they care about where they live.
| quote: | Coffee franchise moving to hotel
Neighbours object to Tim Hortons
Lease was signed despite protest
ALEJANDRO BUSTOS
STAFF REPORTER
More than 200 Cabbagetown residents gathered last night to discuss the controversial future of the Winchester Hotel, only to learn a lease with Tim Hortons has already been signed.
Most in attendance had no idea the deal was firm until a resident asked the hotel's new owner John Bernardo the question point-blank, nearly two hours into the meeting.
His answer was met with a chorus of boos. A dozen people left the gymnasium at Spruce Court Public School immediately and many in the crowd — initially so big it spilled into the hallways — soon followed.
Residents were up in arms at the idea that the Winchester Hotel, a historic landmark that has operated as a pub and de-facto community centre at the corner of Winchester and Parliament Sts. for most of its 117 years, is slated to become the new home of a coffee and doughnut franchise.
"Nothing is less imaginative than a Tim Hortons," said Sally Gibson, who has lived in Cabbagetown since 1991. Gibson, like many of the other community members, attended last night's meeting to plead with the new owner to preserve the building and find an imaginative use for the space. Gibson suggested opening a boutique hotel.
"It's not just about bricks and mortar, it's about the soul of a community," said Craig Knowles, who circulated a petition opposing the Tim Hortons that collected 600 signatures.
But finding another business to occupy the space is no longer an option, said local Councillor Pam McConnell (Ward 28, Toronto Centre-Rosedale). The building was sold in March and Bernardo has already completed the deal that allows the franchise to lease the first floor.
"That's been the problem all along," McConnell said. "The city has no jurisdiction over use."
Nick Javor, senior vice-president of corporate affairs for Tim Hortons, played a slide show featuring other Tim Hortons shops that have moved into heritage sites across Canada.
Javor vowed the Cabbagetown site would not include a Wendy's restaurant or drive-through.
He said the shop is scheduled to open Labour Day weekend. |
Cheers to their not being a drive-thru...that's just too disgustingly suburban...no one has a problem with an overweight society idling their cars while waiting for their fast food? lol. nevermind the potential increase in traffic that might result.
I'd like to see the pics of their other sites though...it might not be that bad...but I still don't fault people for protesting something which they don't want in their neighbourhood...a neighbourhood filled with heritage buildings. |
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| Jayx1 |
No one suggested a drive thru was ever going to be put in. As for a neighbourhood of historical buildings. Thats great! But Timmies is actually going to restore the building which is apparently in disrepair. So Timmies is GOOD for restoration and history then.
And i pretty much dont care whom these people are. My point is that if they think they can do better then they should. If the pub was such a momento of the area then people should have patronized it, or when it went out of business, someone from the area should have bought it. To stop a business from going in because someone doesn't think it belongs there smacks of arrogance and pure ignorance. |
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