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NIMBYs protest Tim Hortons (pg. 4)
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| Jayx1 |
| quote: | Originally posted by MarkT
Cheers to their not being a drive-thru...that's just too disgustingly suburban...no one has a problem with an overweight society idling their cars while waiting for their fast food? lol. nevermind the potential increase in traffic that might result.
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Seems like you are one of those urban snobs im talking about. If there is a demand for fat people being served in their cars then that service should be provided. I personally dont like it but there are bigger fish to fry in this world. Let the fat people have their drive thrus and you can have your $6 lattes down the street and everyone is happy. If there isnt a demand then it will not succeed. And an increase in traffic? Um hello???? YOU LIVE IN A CITY!!!!!
Cities = heavy traffic
small towns and countryside = light traffic |
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| Jayx1 |
| quote: | Originally posted by ShadoWolf
I once dated someone who lived in the area.. he lived off Dundas. This one time at night, I took a cab from Parliament to just Yonge... true story. So many gang members on Dundas...
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HUH????
This coming from Mr Anti-Gay????
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| muzzybear |
| I had the occasional drink there, and Blue Rodeo shot a video there, too. I wouldn't want a timmy's there, even tho I don't live there any more. There's a few 24 hr coffee shops already in that hood, and there's a timmy's in the esso up the street. |
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| Jayx1 |
| quote: | Originally posted by muzzybear
I had the occasional drink there, and Blue Rodeo shot a video there, too. I wouldn't want a timmy's there, even tho I don't live there any more. There's a few 24 hr coffee shops already in that hood, and there's a timmy's in the esso up the street. |
But would you go so far as to actually protest it? These protestors need to poney up the cash and re-open the pub instead of just flapping their gums. Otherwise they need to STFU |
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| muzzybear |
| quote: | Originally posted by Jayx1
But would you go so far as to actually protest it? These protestors need to poney up the cash and re-open the pub instead of just flapping their gums. Otherwise they need to STFU |
Nope. But I seem to remember that bar being quite empty, so the neighbourhood should have supported them when it was open (and after it was beautifully renovated).
The house on Parliament is pretty much the only decent neighbourhood pup there with a patio left (we used to take my doggie there 'cause she was allowed to sit under the picnic tables). |
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| Jayx1 |
| quote: | Originally posted by muzzybear
Nope. But I seem to remember that bar being quite empty, so the neighbourhood should have supported them when it was open (and after it was beautifully renovated).
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EXACTLY my point... |
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| MarkT |
| quote: | Originally posted by ShadoWolf
Percentage change may have been highest, but not the actual values.
That statistic, and the news about Timmies, may indicate the beginning of the renewal of the area. But at the moment, it's still the worst area downtown.
Cabbagetown is also getting popular with gays who want to escape the Village and "move on up." That will drive prices up, but again, the base is lower than other areas.
Also, I'd like to see crime statistics, because that's probably a better indicator of a "bad area."
I once dated someone who lived in the area.. he lived off Dundas. This one time at night, I took a cab from Parliament to just Yonge... true story. So many gang members on Dundas...
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1. average property value is actually very high...not just the increase over last year. A little cottage-like house a few doors down from me listed for $345,000 over a year ago. Avg. home price in Cabbagetown in 2004 is 320,000 and that's including the not-so-great areas. Go east of Parliament between Gerrard and Wellesley...or stay on Seaton, Berkley and Ontario...and good luck getting much for under 400k.
2. While Cabbagetown technically stretches down to Queen, I'd consider Parliament/Dundas to be Regent Park. The "official" boundaries can be seen here.
http://www.torontoneighbourhoods.ne...th_toronto.html
"Regent Park rose from the rubble of what was once the south part of the Cabbagetown neighbourhood. During the 1930's, South Cabbagetown was one of Toronto's worst slums and as such was targeted by Toronto city planners for a grand urban renewal scheme called Regent Park.
Built in 1949 Regent Park holds the distinction of being Canada's first public housing project. Regent Park was expanded in the 1950's to include the area south of Gerrard Street, which came to be known as Regent Park South."
3. Crime? nothing out of the ordinary from my experience...there are "crazy" people on the street...but I'll take crazy over violent any day ;)
Have you ever actually walked through Cabbagetown? Take a walk on the streets east of Parliament, between Wellesley and Gerrard...even walk down Seaton, Ontario and Berkley streets and tell me the area is the armpit of Toronto... |
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| MarkT |
| quote: | Originally posted by Jayx1
No one suggested a drive thru was ever going to be put in. As for a neighbourhood of historical buildings. Thats great! But Timmies is actually going to restore the building which is apparently in disrepair. So Timmies is GOOD for restoration and history then.
And i pretty much dont care whom these people are. My point is that if they think they can do better then they should. If the pub was such a momento of the area then people should have patronized it, or when it went out of business, someone from the area should have bought it. To stop a business from going in because someone doesn't think it belongs there smacks of arrogance and pure ignorance. |
That you don't care who these people are and don't live in the area, yet feel that you're in a position to criticize their efforts to maintain their neighbourhood as they see fit is what truly smacks of arrogance and ignorance to me...
I don't like the Conservative leadership...but I don't necessarily think I can do better and am not in a position to do better...does that mean I shouldn't be able protest Harper wanting to become PM? That simply makes no sense. So what if the people themselves can't do better...it doesn't exempt them from being able to criticize and contribute to the area's development. Your response of "if they think they can do better..." is completely illogical. A critic need not be able to do better themselves in order to be a competent critic.
Wanting to preserve a building also doesn't necessarily have anything to do with how the previous business inside of it was run...it's about preserving the flavour of the area...if one "indie" business closes, replace it with another...not a bunch of chain stores.
I also have no problem admitting I'm an urban snob ;) Part of the reason I moved downtown was to escape the gross burb mentality of big box shopping areas (re: Warden/Eglinton), lack of culture, and the need to drive everywhere, even to the corner store. Bleh. I'm much happier living downtown and don't want burb ideals (like fast food drive thrus) infiltrating the city either. |
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| MarkT |
| quote: | Originally posted by muzzybear
I had the occasional drink there, and Blue Rodeo shot a video there, too. I wouldn't want a timmy's there, even tho I don't live there any more. There's a few 24 hr coffee shops already in that hood, and there's a timmy's in the esso up the street. |
That's the point...people don't want a Timmy's there.
it's not about whether or not THAT business (Winchester pub) was good or not...People aren't saying "please keep the Winchester open"...they're just don't want a Timmy's there.
Two distinct (though related) issues.
meh...this is ALL besides the point. All I wanted to say is that the residents WHO ACTUALLY LIVE in an area shouldn't be bashed for wanting to exert some influence over what is and what is not built there. |
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| Jayx1 |
| quote: | Originally posted by MarkT
That you don't care who these people are and don't live in the area, yet feel that you're in a position to criticize their efforts to maintain their neighbourhood as they see fit is what truly smacks of arrogance and ignorance to me...
I don't like the Conservative leadership...but I don't necessarily think I can do better and am not in a position to do better...does that mean I shouldn't be able protest Harper wanting to become PM? That simply makes no sense. So what if the people themselves can't do better...it doesn't exempt them from being able to criticize and contribute to the area's development. Your response of "if they think they can do better..." is completely illogical. A critic need not be able to do better themselves in order to be a competent critic.
Wanting to preserve a building also doesn't necessarily have anything to do with how the previous business inside of it was run...it's about preserving the flavour of the area...if one "indie" business closes, replace it with another...not a bunch of chain stores.
I also have no problem admitting I'm an urban snob ;) Part of the reason I moved downtown was to escape the gross burb mentality of big box shopping areas (re: Warden/Eglinton), lack of culture, and the need to drive everywhere, even to the corner store. Bleh. I'm much happier living downtown and don't want burb ideals (like fast food drive thrus) infiltrating the city either. |
Well as i said...if they want "indie businesses" then they should support the ones that are there and if they are really insistant then they should open it up themselves. Critisizing bull pettiness does not make me arrogant. Actually quite the opposite.
Let Tim Hortons open and if residents in the area truely dont want it, it will go away soon enough.
Why do i get the feeling that most of the people bitching about it will actually end up being their best customers? |
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| MarkT |
not me ;) Timmy's coffee is bleh...some people seem to love it...but many of them also don't have Starbucks, Second Cup and Timothy's to choose from, in most cases...or indie-owned places like Jet Fuel (on Parliament).
I hope the building is preserved...and I'm fine with letting the market decide if a business should stay or go...but I also don't have a problem with residents of an area wanting to have input into what gets built in their neighbourhood or to at least make their voice known.
I'd suggest that complacency on the part of residents is worse than a so-called "NIMBY" attitude in most cases (island residents vs. Docks notwithstanding, lol). |
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| Jayx1 |
| No one is asking for complacency. Just pick a battle worth fighting and then fight it at its cause. Trying to stop a tim hortons is not a battle worth fighting and if it is there are better ways of going about it. Such as, not frequenting it. |
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