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Producers - How Do They Get Paid? (pg. 3)
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| Konijn |
| quote: | Originally posted by DC-
I won't discluse any figures, just that it's not enough to make a living off of, especially when paid bi-anually.
But I'll let you know this, a lot of labels today are struggling even pushing 600 units. |
how much variation is there between labels in terms of units pressed/sold? like an anjuna or black hole versus something newer, like brisky's monstertunes?
considering the diminishing returns of the production process i have to tip my hat for the perseverance of all producers who keep at it. |
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| DC- |
| I'll go as far as to say, that only a few labels actually sell 800+ units on a consistant basis, and some labels that you'd expect to be selling 1000s based on their size and reputation alone, don't. |
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| tiesto14 |
| quote: | Originally posted by Aiwendil
The don't.
Because the producers/labels gave consent for their work to be used.
The exposure isn't to entice club goers to buy the vinyls. Club goers don't buy vinyls. DJ's buy vinyls. And the big DJ's set the trends on what practically every other minor DJ will play. If Tiesto plays a record, thousands of other DJ's are going to buy and play it simply because he did. And I thought labels paid producers? Or no. |
well said...and u put things into perspective for me.....thanks man |
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| tribu |
| quote: | Originally posted by DC-
If you wanna help keep the trance scene alive, BUY RECORDS! |
I disagree. If you're content with the current trance scene and how it all works, buy records, cds, mp3s.
If you want to see changes, do not buy and do not support the current system. Do not bother downloading either. If you want to be even more proactive, make your own music. |
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| serp |
you won't earn enough to make a living out of it unless somehow you can pump out amazing tracks on a weekly basis, even then..
DJ'ing is where the money is at |
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| flavdave |
| quote: | Originally posted by Dickie-T
i only know phynn got a lousy 3 figure number (probably just under $1000) for his remix of adagio for strings (he said it on another forum), that was disappointing! especially for such a big release... |
$1000 is lousy? He should be so lucky... |
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| isoterra |
| quote: | Originally posted by DC-
Money is important, lets not kid ourselves, why? Becuase someone is making money off you, it's only fair for you to expect a share of that. You can still make music for the love of making music, but to what point will you enjoy being exploited by labels? |
yeah. i'm saying it's far from the primary incentive of nearly all trance/any less commercial edm producers/labels. i personally wouldn't be fussed if i never made money out of a signing... especially if it meant the label would have a stronger chance of survival |
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| DC- |
| quote: | Originally posted by tribu
I disagree. If you're content with the current trance scene and how it all works, buy records, cds, mp3s.
If you want to see changes, do not buy and do not support the current system. Do not bother downloading either. If you want to be even more proactive, make your own music. |
So your idea is to help build a better scene to completely boycott the current? To what end result, total collapse of trance as we know it? I strongly disagree with that idea, trance is in a very fragile situation, labels are dying left and right, record sales are dropping drastically, cd compilations sales are almost non-existant and your idea is to further this by not buying records? Ridiculous. |
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| DC- |
| quote: | Originally posted by isoterra
yeah. i'm saying it's far from the primary incentive of nearly all trance/any less commercial edm producers/labels. i personally wouldn't be fussed if i never made money out of a signing... especially if it meant the label would have a stronger chance of survival |
I agree, it is far from the primary reason why people put out trance, and you can usually tell who is concerned with making the most money from the first moment you talk to them. You also have to realize that a record label cannot surive by just barely getting out of the negative. For a trance label to grow, there has to be profit, more profit means more money for remixes, bigger advances, etc, etc. That's the problem today, a lot simply barely get over getting even, and it doesn't help the situation that some big acts demand ridiculous remix fees, upwards 1000s and 1000s of euros, when a label simply cannot make that much anymore, or very rarely does. |
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| vrahnos |
| quote: | Originally posted by DC-
So your idea is to help build a better scene to completely boycott the current? To what end result, total collapse of trance as we know it? I strongly disagree with that idea, trance is in a very fragile situation, labels are dying left and right, record sales are dropping drastically, cd compilations sales are almost non-existant and your idea is to further this by not buying records? Ridiculous. |
thats right, record sales are dropping...cause they're making ty tracks...have you seen "tiestos magikal tool" or gabriel & dresden's "track in a minute" (or something like this)....same (music) different day..
mp3s/cdrs/etc isnt the reason for low sales, lack of creativity is.
if they make something GOOD i'll buy it, i.e massive motion |
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| DC- |
| quote: | Originally posted by vrahnos
thats right, record sales are dropping...cause they're making ty tracks...have you seen "tiestos magikal tool" or gabriel & dresden's "track in a minute" (or something like this)....same (music) different day..
mp3s/cdrs/etc isnt the reason for low sales, lack of creativity is.
if they make something GOOD i'll buy it, i.e massive motion |
That's debatable and totally subjective. What's good to you is not what's good to someone else. I agree, buy what you like, but I bet if you were to check the sales for Massive Motion, you might be in for a surprise as to how much it really sold.
You can't nag on Tiesto or G&D for putting out similar sounding tracks becuase this is their signature sound. Tiesto has always had similar sounding tracks, even back in the golden days of Trance, so this is not a viable excuse. Sure, there is a lack of creativity which results in a lot of similar sounding records, but that doesn't mean the records themselves aren't good. There is more quality trance NOW than ever before. |
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| vrahnos |
| quote: | Originally posted by DC-
That's debatable and totally subjective. What's good to you is not what's good to someone else. I agree, buy what you like, but I bet if you were to check the sales for Massive Motion, you might be in for a surprise as to how much it really sold.
You can't nag on Tiesto or G&D for putting out similar sounding tracks becuase this is their signature sound. Tiesto has always had similar sounding tracks, even back in the golden days of Trance, so this is not a viable excuse. Sure, there is a lack of creativity which results in a lot of similar sounding records, but that doesn't mean the records themselves aren't good. There is more quality trance NOW than ever before. |
tiesto and G&d were examples, i dont blame them...
yes, there are more quality tracks now because there are more producers, but most of them are ...
personally, i'm downloading music, and this isnt an excuse for the low sales, if i dont like it i will delete it! if something is worthing the money i will buy it.
there are too many producers, its stupid to expect everyone to have good sales
edit: i'm going to sleep now |
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