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Producers - How Do They Get Paid? (pg. 4)
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| idoru |
I'm going to do a multiple-quote thingy, because I just have to...
| quote: | Originally posted by DC-
Money is important, lets not kid ourselves, why? Becuase someone is making money off you, it's only fair for you to expect a share of that. You can still make music for the love of making music, but to what point will you enjoy being exploited by labels? |
If I were to produce a track that ended up getting canned by every DJ out there, I wouldn't have a problem with not making money off of their fame. I'd be ecstatic that I produced something that everybody actually likes, that can make people move; as long as I had fun doing it, that's all that matters. Hell, I probably would've made the track working at the same grocery store I'm at right now and would continue to do so as people crowd stadiums and go nuts off of it.
People shouldn't give a . Money should never be a factor in your creative process. Personally, I don't look up to producers who say, "I have to make a living off of this." It's bull. You started out for fun, and making money is just extra. People like your tracks, wasn't that your whole reason for doing it in the first place?
| quote: | Originally posted by DC-
So your idea is to help build a better scene to completely boycott the current? To what end result, total collapse of trance as we know it? I strongly disagree with that idea, trance is in a very fragile situation, labels are dying left and right, record sales are dropping drastically, cd compilations sales are almost non-existant and your idea is to further this by not buying records? Ridiculous. |
I actually like Treeb's idea. Have you bothered to look at the multitude of compilations that are/were out there? They're not selling because everyone is trying to release a compilation, and they're all doing it for the fame. How does fame have anything to do with it? They all put the same tracks on the compilations because that is what they think the masses will want. However, the masses have wised-up and are now not wanting to purchase multiple compilations with the same tracks but different covers.
DC, a lot of your points are referring to numbers, and those posts that you include them in make the ones you use look like guesses/estimates. You have any hard facts to show us? |
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| thesuperfunk |
| quote: | Originally posted by tiesto14
I really dont think big DJs like Tiesto, PVD, Oakie etc actually "pay" for any vinyls. I am sure producers want them to play their tracks...especially lesser known producers.
So since they dont pay for the vinyl but play it for a profit...how is that anymore legal then downloading and playing a live set at home that u found on the net?
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Well for starters they've obviously been given consent to play it. |
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| tribu |
| quote: | Originally posted by DC-
So your idea is to help build a better scene to completely boycott the current? To what end result, total collapse of trance as we know it? I strongly disagree with that idea, trance is in a very fragile situation, labels are dying left and right, record sales are dropping drastically, cd compilations sales are almost non-existant and your idea is to further this by not buying records? Ridiculous. |
I don't think labels are a necessary entity at all. Technology has gotten sufficiently cheap enough that many producers have all they need to run a small, one-artist label at home. Additionally, I feel labels are often just a representation of greed: everyone wants to be the next Tiesto or G&D or whatever, and that does not necessarily lead to good music. Money simply is not sufficient motivation for an artist to release quality work. People often complain about the trance scene and it's lack of good output and I say why pump money into a dying system that so many are unhappy with anyways? |
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| chrisday |
dont know if this has been said..
my opinion is that producers make records to increase their popularity and make their name heard, u find very few top djs without productions under their belts. the best djs tiesto, sasha, armin.. etc all have top productions. I believe that producing tracks is more a foundation to someones career in djin to spread their name, and its a chance djs have to take, to produce recors for a small amount, but it does increase their chance of playing out more
eg. eric prydz. when call on me was released, he suddenly appeared alot more on the club scene... |
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| chrisday |
| also add.. im pretty sure djs do do it for the money. yeah its a passion and they enjoy it, but at the end its like a job, money makes the world go round... jus look at tiesto rinsing the market dry. Doing parade of the olympics for free only to release parade of the athletes weeks later. clever marketing!? |
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| idoru |
| quote: | Originally posted by tribu
I don't think labels are a necessary entity at all. Technology has gotten sufficiently cheap enough that many producers have all they need to run a small, one-artist label at home. Additionally, I feel labels are often just a representation of greed: everyone wants to be the next Tiesto or G&D or whatever, and that does not necessarily lead to good music. Money simply is not sufficient motivation for an artist to release quality work. People often complain about the trance scene and it's lack of good output and I say why pump money into a dying system that so many are unhappy with anyways? |
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| Konijn |
| quote: | Originally posted by tribu
I don't think labels are a necessary entity at all. Technology has gotten sufficiently cheap enough that many producers have all they need to run a small, one-artist label at home. Additionally, I feel labels are often just a representation of greed: everyone wants to be the next Tiesto or G&D or whatever, and that does not necessarily lead to good music. Money simply is not sufficient motivation for an artist to release quality work. People often complain about the trance scene and it's lack of good output and I say why pump money into a dying system that so many are unhappy with anyways? |
labels are necessary because on many levels they act as filters of substandard work. it's like the publishing business; if i had a ty manuscript that was rejected by every publisher in the western hemisphere does my decision to self-publish through an e-publisher do anything to raise the quality of the literary scene?
as labels fold, the barriers to entry are reduced and the overall level of quality sinks.
those who claim that producers should simply be happy with djs caning their tracks aren't very far-sighted. that sort of jejune outlook might work for a producer who's in college but what about later on? if you have to work one or two jobs to support yourself then you have less time to focus on producing: less time equals diminished quality, so we're back where we started.
unless we want our producers to cycle through the ages of 18-23, then the market has to be minimally sustainable. |
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| sandstorm03 |
I read threw the first few pages, and i dont think anyone has stated how producers can make money other then the obvious DJing & "increasing" vinyl sales. "Increasing" vinyl sales wont do . Are there even statistics that vinyl sales are even decreasing? For all you know they could be the highest they could ever be.
Anyway if you guys have issues with what producers are making why don't you be quiet and write them a fat check because even if their sales went up, the labels will STILL take all of the profit. |
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| Vyper0987 |
i just have to wonder how many of you in here actually produce. it's kind of ironic though. people seem to bitch about the lack of quality trance, but in order to make a quality trance tune, it takes a good chunk of time. and then people say that djs should devote so much time to a track and then not get paid for it? that's ridiculous!!
yes...i know that producing/djing is out of love (i simply love doing both of them)...but it is a job. just because you do your job because you love it doesn't mean that you shouldn't get paid. if you had a love for the stock market, and got a job at a huge investment firm, would you go to work everyday for free, simply because you loved your job? Hell no you wouldn't. you'd probably laugh at them.
yeah, it would be great to have a big name dj canning your tunes. but wouldn't you get a little ticked off if they're making thousands of dollars a gig while playing your tune, and you're at home flat broke? everybody else is getting paid, why shouldn't the producer? |
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| sandstorm03 |
| quote: | Originally posted by Vyper0987
i just have to wonder how many of you in here actually produce. it's kind of ironic though. people seem to bitch about the lack of quality trance, but in order to make a quality trance tune, it takes a good chunk of time. and then people say that djs should devote so much time to a track and then not get paid for it? that's ridiculous!!
yes...i know that producing/djing is out of love (i simply love doing both of them)...but it is a job. just because you do your job because you love it doesn't mean that you shouldn't get paid. if you had a love for the stock market, and got a job at a huge investment firm, would you go to work everyday for free, simply because you loved your job? Hell no you wouldn't. you'd probably laugh at them.
yeah, it would be great to have a big name dj canning your tunes. but wouldn't you get a little ticked off if they're making thousands of dollars a gig while playing your tune, and you're at home flat broke? everybody else is getting paid, why shouldn't the producer? |
Why does bill gates make more then all his employees, probably combined?
The world sucks doesn't it?:conf: |
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| Vyper0987 |
| quote: | Originally posted by sandstorm03
Why does bill gates make more then all his employees, probably combined?
The world sucks doesn't it?:conf: |
because he has stock options |
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| sandstorm03 |
| quote: | Originally posted by Vyper0987
because he has stock options |
Same with every one that owns a label, they can basically sit back and relax. You think Tiesto needs to release another track ever? |
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