|
United States in Iraq Poll: Leave or stay (pg. 3)
|
View this Thread in Original format
| shaolin_Z |
| quote: | Originally posted by occrider
Plus if we allow it to descend into civil war it will be the perfect breeding ground for terrorism. |
That was a guaranteed consequence of the Iraq invasion. Not pulling out is not going to change that. |
|
|
| occrider |
| quote: | Originally posted by shaolin_Z
That was a guaranteed consequence of the Iraq invasion. Not pulling out is not going to change that. |
Yes but at least there are efforts to combat the groups with US troops there. If the US pulls out completely not only will it remain a perfect breeding ground for terrorism, but it will be a completely unhindered breeding ground for terrorism. |
|
|
| shaolin_Z |
| quote: | Originally posted by occrider
Yes but at least there are efforts to combat the groups with US troops there. If the US pulls out completely not only will it remain a perfect breeding ground for terrorism, but it will be a completely unhindered breeding ground for terrorism. |
well, unfortunately, now it's a loose loose situation. |
|
|
| ogvh5150 |
| quote: | Originally posted by occrider
Trust me, I'm no fan of nation building. But we tipped the pot, and now we have an obligation to right it. Plus if we allow it to descend into civil war it will be the perfect breeding ground for terrorism. We'll end up having to go in again 5 or 10 years down the road. |
Yellow:
To say to breed signifies there was no terror before. Prior to March 2003 no one knew what an insurgent was. So henceforth from that time all of the sudden this "terror" existed with monikers like insurgents and detainees, etc.
Silver:
Get ready to pay more taxes for this war. While your at it you can ask the people for some spare change. You know which people, the ones that just built their marina on your once beautiful waterfront property by the town lake whilst you live out of a shopping cart. |
|
|
| trancaholic |
| quote: | Originally posted by shaolin_Z
well, unfortunately, now it's a loose loose situation. |
That's not really a good argument. If someone come up to you and say "Choose: I'll kick your teeth in, or I'll kill all of your family" is pretty much a loose/loose situation too, but that wouldn't justify you in choosing the latter. There's degrees of bad. |
|
|
| ogvh5150 |
| quote: | Originally posted by shaolin_Z
Ever hear the phrase "problem, reaction, solution"? |
Thesis + antithesis = synthesis |
|
|
| shaolin_Z |
| quote: | Originally posted by trancaholic
That's not really a good argument. If someone come up to you and say "Choose: I'll kick your teeth in, or I'll kill all of your family" is pretty much a loose/loose situation too, but that wouldn't justify you in choosing the latter. There's degrees of bad. |
My point was that the Iraq Invasion was a big mistake to begin with, with no positive results (not for the general population of Iraq or the West). And now it's obvious. |
|
|
| smokeape |
I'd say we just ought to leave and nuke the place into a lunar landscape, but most Iraqis and insurgents as well would disagree, so I guess we're stuck there for a while.
;)
[[[smoke]]] |
|
|
| occrider |
| quote: | Originally posted by ogvh5150
Yellow:
To say to breed signifies there was no terror before. Prior to March 2003 no one knew what an insurgent was. So henceforth from that time all of the sudden this "terror" existed with monikers like insurgents and detainees, etc.
|
Yes it's a wonderful breeding ground now compared to what it was before the US invasion. I never made any claim that to the contrary. My point is that it will be an even BETTER breeding ground in the totality of anarchy that will result with a US withdrawal.
| quote: |
Silver:
Get ready to pay more taxes for this war. While your at it you can ask the people for some spare change. You know which people, the ones that just built their marina on your once beautiful waterfront property by the town lake whilst you live out of a shopping cart. |
Irrelevant argument. I'm saying that the situation in Iraq will cost MORE to all parties involved if the US leaves prematurely, not that it isn't going to cost a lot to stay there as it is.
Look if you're looking for people who were for the war and thought it was a good idea to invade than you're barking up the wrong tree. Most people responding in this thread think that it was the wrong choice, however, now that we're there, a better choice is to stay. You know, those good old If/Then statements? IF the US has invaded Iraq, THEN it is more beneficial that the US stay to get the job done. To be blunt, you haven't gone into detail about the pros/cons of the US leaving given the arguments we have raised. So tell us, how will it be better for the US to leave now given the geopolitical implications for the US and the Iraqis? |
|
|
| ogvh5150 |
Wars aren't free.
You're the financial guru figure this out:
Can a war be fought for free?
If Conress and Co. said "Hey we need to pay for this war so pay more taxes" don't come crying "Why should we?".
| quote: | | So tell us, how will it be better for the US to leave now given the geopolitical implications for the US and the Iraqis? |
Do you know how the Iraqis feel? Have you talked to any one of them personally? So how would you assume that they want us to stay and install a government. Who's telling you to stay? Who are you trusting to stay?
The media? The administration? You trust those same people that lied to you. You trust those people that say 58% say yes?
Those same people that say you should stay are the only, I repeat, only people that benefit from the souls of men and women that die on both sides.
I only thing I benefit from leaving is the amount of lives saved from the egress. To say that there would be continued or a renewed terrorism is believing the same people that told you there were WMD's when there are none. |
|
|
| ierxium |
Stay until the country wins a soccer world cup.
|
|
|
| shaolin_Z |
| quote: | Originally posted by ogvh5150
Wars aren't free.
You're the financial guru figure this out:
Can a war be fought for free?
If Conress and Co. said "Hey we need to pay for this war so pay more taxes" don't come crying "Why should we?".
Do you know how the Iraqis feel? Have you talked to any one of them personally? So how would you assume that they want us to stay and install a government. Who's telling you to stay? Who are you trusting to stay?
The media? The administration? You trust those same people that lied to you. You trust those people that say 58% say yes?
Those same people that say you should stay are the only, I repeat, only people that benefit from the souls of men and women that die on both sides.
I only thing I benefit from leaving is the amount of lives saved from the egress. To say that there would be continued or a renewed terrorism is believing the same people that told you there were WMD's when there are none. |
+1
Do other here honestly believe that the Iraqis want US military presence over there or the US install a new Goverment? Give me a ing break. |
|
|
|
|
